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Saturday, January 3rd, 2009SUGGEST NEWS

Israel Starts Ground Offensive in Gaza in Bid to Halt Rockets
Posted by: Nebuchadnezzar on January 3rd, 2009 @ 4:34PM

Link - Kill the terrorist f's please. Thanks.


How exactly are the Israelis supposed to kill the Hamas without blowing up civilian areas, if the Hamas are cowards and live among civilians? Are they supposed to go door-to-door and ask for the Hamas members to come outside to get shot in the face?

If there would be rockets flying into Cali from some town in Mexico, we`d level that place in a week, and no one would say a thing.

There is no way to deal with terrorists except death.

dmikon
- 2009-01-04 21:15:37

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killer6600
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January 3rd, 2009 @ 10:27PM

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ha, you call them terrorists cause they don`t have giant american bought tanks and all they can afford is shitty rocket launchers and suicide bombs with nails/shrapnel added on to try and get quote unquote freedom from their oppressors, i know it`s hard to hear like that for you christian/non muslim supporters that arabs deserve to live in peace in their own unoccupied illegally land, but its ok to think that israel is an illegal occupying force before you think arabs are evil for trying to defend themselves
mad_dog1
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January 4th, 2009 @ 4:24AM

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so firing rockets at civilians and calling for the destruction of israel is a form of selfdefense?

Smokin Joe
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January 4th, 2009 @ 10:39AM

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Arabs deserve peace. Both sides have their extremists, denying that is just simply self-inflicted ignorance.

Personally, Palestinian leaders should have never broken the cease-fire, however, I feel that Israel doesn`t need to decimate the entire Gaza Strip to fulfill their military plans. It`s disgusting that they level an ENTIRE apartment building to take out the top Hamas commander.

Killing innocent people makes the Israelis appear as terrorists to peaceful Arabs, which basically just keeps this innate hatred still alive.

Besides, the Terrorists that us Americans should be worried about aren`t operating in the Gaza Strip. Then again, most Americans probably have no idea wtf a Gaza Strip is anyway.

dmikon
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January 4th, 2009 @ 9:15PM

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How exactly are the Israelis supposed to kill the Hamas without blowing up civilian areas, if the Hamas are cowards and live among civilians? Are they supposed to go door-to-door and ask for the Hamas members to come outside to get shot in the face?

If there would be rockets flying into Cali from some town in Mexico, we`d level that place in a week, and no one would say a thing.

There is no way to deal with terrorists except death.
covact
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January 5th, 2009 @ 7:05AM

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What do you expect the Israelis to do? Both sides have there grievances but one main difference is that Islamic people have a habit of being at the fore front of terrorist activities.

If you keep getting arrested for robbing a store, theres a reason or you would think you would do everything you could to not be in that situation.

So what would you have the Israelis do? The main reaason they take such a extreme reaction to things is that there just trying to survive in a sea of people who hate them. What should they do just march into the furnaces. We know that does not end well.
Smokin Joe
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January 5th, 2009 @ 10:51AM

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You guys are so narrow-minded it`s frightening.

Dmikon - what`s our strategy to uproot all the terrorists in Iraq? I didn`t realize we were just carpet bombing the area and letting the ends justify the means. And nice example with Mexico and California - it shows you apparently no NOTHING about what is going on in Gaza as well as you have no CLUE about the relationship between Cali and Mexico, kudos.

Covact - Ok right, all Abortion Clinic attacks came from Islamic Extremists, Oklahoma City - Islamic Extremist, that crazy Murderer Santa (yes, that is terrorism), let`s see.... who else.. Oh, all the havoc in Greece, all Muslims - oo, all the violence and terror that took place in London over New Year`s, muslims. How about the IRA? All muslims. What about FARC? How about all those South American Rebel Groups that keep taking hostages and such... are they muslim? Open your eyes instead of your mouth moron.

The main reaason they take such a extreme reaction to things is that there just trying to survive in a sea of people who hate them

Really? You`ve visited the region? You`ve spoken to a majority of Arabs in the area? Just because you so easily can brush off the fact that maybe people there want peace and not war/violence, doesn`t mean that they have either. Oh wait, you`ve probably never been out of Texas anyway.

dmikon
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January 5th, 2009 @ 7:00PM

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Smokin Joe: Dmikon - what`s our strategy to uproot all the terrorists in Iraq? I didn`t realize we were just carpet bombing the area and letting the ends justify the means.

What does Iraq have to do with the situation in Israel? We invaded a foreign country with the intention of dethroning a dictator who we were told possesses WMDs. Israel is attacking a region from which guerrilla terrorists have been launching rockets into their country. Yes, there is a deep history between the two regions and the conflict goes much deeper than that. However, the current military operation is in direct response to those actions. What exactly is the connection between that and Iraq though, that both conflicts involve military action in the Middle East?

And nice example with Mexico and California - it shows you apparently no NOTHING about what is going on in Gaza as well as you have no CLUE about the relationship between Cali and Mexico, kudos.

Once again, what does that have to do with anything? My example (by the way, look up the word example, I think you`re confused) was just that. It was not a factual juxtaposition of the conflict between Israel and Palestine. The point was that if your country`s citizens are killed by rockets of guerrilla terrorists from a neighboring region, you retaliate.

And by the way, Smokin Joe, I don`t `no` if you `no`, but `no` is spelled like this: know. ("you apparently no NOTHING")
covact
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January 6th, 2009 @ 9:53AM

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Smoking Joe:

Ok first off I have lived in France/Germany for over a Year. I have also lived in Cali, Florida and Chicago. I have had long trips to both Honduras and Egypt. Both those trips were with people originally from those countries(One I dated and one is my best friend. Munir's (my friend)family was from Palestine before they left due to the violence. So shut up, Where do you get your info from. I have mine from the source. Munir's brother, who grew up in the USA, was one of the Americans that went over there to fight for the Terrorists and Died. So I know. I know how his family hurt.

To answer just one of your lame examples though, ďall the violence and terror that took place in London over New Year`s, muslimsĒ YES, IT WAS MUSLIMS
So please do some really simple research before you just rattle off shit.

Also you show your intelligence when your best argument is to call people morons. So the best you have is to list a bunch of random violent groups and then call me a moron.

I can make a list of things also but I can read. I wrote the "fore front". There is a lot people who do violent things but by a long shot, the Arab countries now are far more dangerous then all the places/examples you listed put together. Now granted we can bring up the IRA or hell lets go way back, Huns against Rome. But we are talking about today. Of all the bombings in the last year the majority have had a Islamic background. Right or Wrong?

Also I understand they donít have the massive resources that Israel has. (tanks, planes, etc) But please tell me you agree that the Arab countries have publicly announced that IF THEY COULD they would wipe out Israel. (six day war) Now if I was Israel I would have those Tanks, planes, etc. I understand that not EVERY single one wants violence but on average more Arabs perform Terrorist actions, then lets say the average American. Now also understand I was not talking about reasons. There is many different reasons, hence the fact that peace has been unstable there for years. Last I checked I havenít heard of many abortion clinics being bombed lately or even weekly.

So have you visited any or have you talk with any of them? So where do you get your strong stance from?

Alright I will hear you out. So Hamas is rocketing Israel, what should they do? Now the Hamas is just randomly targeting Israel, killing Innocent people. Not even trying to target Isaels leaders. So what should they do.

Lets turn it around and use a EXAMPLE. So if another country sent a Rocket that killed your Son, Mom, Wife, Loved one. What would you do or expect to happen. Now myself I would want to prevent it but I would kill and prevent it from happening again. I am sure you would be like "Heck its cool"


EDITED: 2009-01-06 10:05:25
Smokin Joe
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January 6th, 2009 @ 12:01PM

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I have no problem with Israel invading the Gaza Strip, I have problems with some of its actions though while occupying the Strip.

I detest their attacks on schools, hospitals, and just leveling Apartment buildings. Sorry, but I don`t see how such collateral damage is even necessary in today`s Warfare. The US has some great strategies in Iraq as far as gaining the trust of locals, of communication and then uprooting the enemy based on the fact that if the locals want peace and civility, they will give up hiding those that want to cause massive and deadly harm.

Your example with California was retarded because Mexico/California doesn`t have anywhere near the relationship that Israel/Palestine have. Maybe, JUST MAYBE, you could stretch that we `stole` California from Mexico, which is causing them to launch rockets at us... But much of the labor is done by immigrants from Mexico, each somewhat need each other, while Palestine and Israel could do without the other.

Alright I will hear you out. So Hamas is rocketing Israel, what should they do? Now the Hamas is just randomly targeting Israel, killing Innocent people. Not even trying to target Isaels leaders. So what should they do.

Lets turn it around and use a EXAMPLE. So if another country sent a Rocket that killed your Son, Mom, Wife, Loved one. What would you do or expect to happen. Now myself I would want to prevent it but I would kill and prevent it from happening again. I am sure you would be like "Heck its cool"


They invade the areas where rockets are being launched and go nuts on proposed Hamas positions while also launching a campaign to ensure to locals that Israel will not occupy for forever, that Israel is there ONLY for the removal of those who are raining down rockets over Israel.

And if I were to lose a loved one in that situation, I would hope that I could compose myself enough to locate the people who did it and approach it intelligently, so I just obliterate the guilty, and not instill a sense of revenge and hatred to those close. It`s all a vicious cycle and I don`t see why it can not be stopped. The proper approach has to be made towards the youth of both areas, and it doesn`t involve `killin all those terrorists.`

My personal problems come from the absolute generalized responses you both had to the situation.

not EVERY single one wants violence but on average more Arabs perform Terrorist actions, then lets say the average American.

Such a ridiculous assumption man. Wtf is a `terrorist` action? How specific or general are you going to make it?

The asinine part is that I think we kind of agree that Military Action needed to take place - but it was the specifics of the actions that took place that I have come at odds with. After what happened with Iraq (and currently happening), how can more research and knowledge of reasonings be a bad thing? You guys act like there is a clear-cut good and bad guy in this whole thing.
dmikon
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January 6th, 2009 @ 5:55PM

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Smokin Joe: "Your example with California was retarded because Mexico/California doesn`t have anywhere near the relationship that Israel/Palestine have. Maybe, JUST MAYBE, you could stretch that we `stole` California from Mexico, which is causing them to launch rockets at us... But much of the labor is done by immigrants from Mexico, each somewhat need each other, while Palestine and Israel could do without the other."

You have got to be smoking something, Smokin Joe. There is NO connection between Cali and Mexico like the one between Palestine and Israel, NO $hit! It was an EXAMPLE, i.e. meant to illustrate the fact that if there are people launching rockets at your citizens from another country, you take them out, regardless of whether innocent people live in the region as well. No one is talking about Cali/Mexico being in any way, shape, or form, connected to Palestine/Israel.

covact
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January 7th, 2009 @ 8:25AM

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Look I agee with you as I also dont like collateral damage either. They are called terrorist versus enemy SOLDIERS becouse there is no Front Line. The Terrorist hide in schools, they hide in homes, etc. The cowards hide in the public. I am pretty sure if a Israel soldier asked one if he was a terrorist, this is how it would go.

Israel "Hey all terrorists step forward so we can kill you to stop the attacks"
Pause - no one steps forward
Israel "Alright, I will ask each one of you one at a time" "please be honest now"
Israel Solider starts asking, eventually he gets to the one he thinks is.
(remember theres no more 'water boarding or anything' " And if he kills the wrong one or even the right one, the media will proclaim that a civilian was murdered.
(I understand that innocent people are killed and that sucks on both sides. It sucks when anyones family is uselessly killed.)
So what do you think the Terroist said?
Terrorist "Naw man, I love Israel."
Israel soldier walks away!
Terrosist turns around and fires a rocket.

So with this Senario, what you have them do. Becouse according to you, we/they can calmly walk in there and say please stop. Oh wait they have been asking that. Now they are doing the one thing that saves works. Kill them before they kill you.

Let me put it this way, THIS IS A FICTIONAL EXAMPLE, Lets say some random country versus USA. Who would you rather loses/dies? Them or us. I would like to say them. Now before you say something stupid like " well we should have peace and blah blah" remember its not black and white and we dont get a choice like that sometimes. So basically We make it balck and white and take them out first. There mom versus my Mom.

By the way: A Terrorist is someone who attacks at random for a cause but has no clear battle lines or official Distinction. In other words Cowards who attack rondom target, then hide. Now I understand why they hide becouse I wouldnt want to die. I also understand that any government can declare anybody that disagree with them a terrorist. But I think in this example of Israel versus Gaza terrorist that this simple definition works. Since they are from a group that is not reconized by any government and is hiding among the populace.

EDITED: 2009-01-07 10:02:09


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