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Wednesday, September 17th, 2008SUGGEST NEWS

Palin's Email Account Hacked (PHOTOS)
Posted by: Nebuchadnezzar on September 17th, 2008 @ 9:46PM
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    AggieSpirit
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    September 17th, 2008 @ 11:24PM

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    Where is the outrage from the privacy advocates on the left that fought Bush`s wiretaps?

    If Obama is smart -- he will condemn this blatant invasion of privacy immediately.
    BiVRiP
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    September 18th, 2008 @ 3:20AM

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    HERE is a much better article dealing with the issue. It also contains a link to the detailed information posted on Wikileaks as well as the back story to this latest Palin controversy.

    Hacking her account was wrong plain and simple - but I can understand the motives behind it. If you look at her contact list (several .gov addresses) it raises questions as to what communications have been exchanged:

    1) Why was she using a third party email service to send/receive communications to/from government contacts/entities?

    2) Is the use of a non-government issued email account to conduct government business an attempt to bypass the FOIA? If so, what is the nature of these communications? If she has nothing to hide, than why did she find it necessary to avoid using her official .gov account?

    3) The yahoo accounts have apparently been deleted. What happened to the emails? If the government-related emails were deleted, has she not committed some kind of state/federal offense?

    Even if there wasn't any wrong doing per se, this is still a serious breach of accountability and security of a high ranking public official. She should know better.

    For someone preaching to be a Washington outsider and a reformer, she's racking up quite a few controversies considering she's only been a governor for less than 2 years. You'd think she'd be more transparent what with her cherished small town values.
    GroverDill
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    September 18th, 2008 @ 4:13AM

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    Where is the outrage from the privacy advocates on the left that fought Bush`s wiretaps?

    Who would you suggest that privacy advocates be outraged at? Some anonymous jackass hacker? If you're going to get outraged at this, then you also have to be outraged every time Paris Hilton's e-mail gets hacked, which happens like once a week. Frankly, who has the energy?

    Of course, there is the added element of politicians trying to evade FOIA accountability requirements by using their personal e-mail accounts instead of their government accounts. I think everybody on both sides of the aisle can concur that that's a pretty douchebaggy practice. I get highly suspicious when politicians try to hide behind executive privilege.

    What's interesting about this entire thing is that none of the perpetrators of Palin's email hack have bothered to make a case either way for whether or not she is abusing her personal e-mail in the manner that she has been accused at various times. That suggests to me the hacker was a 13-year old in a trailer some place, and not someone with an actual political ax to grind.
    GroverDill
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    September 18th, 2008 @ 4:20AM

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    Incidentally, is anyone else seeing the trueswords.com ads that are showing up on this site now? Those ads are truly some of the most badass ads I've seen on this site. I'm ALWAYS happy to click on ads for ninja accessories.

    Well played, Nebu - well played.
    Charkoth
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    September 18th, 2008 @ 6:42AM

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    Or maybe she like most of us have a yahoo(or gmail) account that they use for all of their communications. Considering she is a small town politician keeping in contact with all of her constituents is probably important to her. Much like switching a phone number, switching an email account is a major pain in the ass. I do however think she should have switched over for security reasons though.

    You people also seem to be confusing FEDERAL accountability requirements with the STATE of Alaska. From the FOIA website:

    "The FOIA applies only to federal agencies and does not create a right of access to records held by Congress, the courts, or by state or local government agencies."

    The ignorance of the people on this website is astounding sometimes....of course only when it applies to Republicans, when it comes to defending Democrats you guys would sacrifice your firstborn children(if you hadn't already aborted them) to save your precious politicians.

    The comparison of Sarah Palin's Experience and Obama's Experience is a prime example.
    Wibin
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    September 18th, 2008 @ 6:54AM

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    Charkoth For The Win.

    Actually, because Alaska is so close to Russia, Palin is going to know a lot more about things going on that other states would not, including obama. So she has an upper hand on current events already, because she would be in the loop.

    I think of it like this. She probably has a spam account for every day BS, or this is just a total setup account for some wouldbe to do something stupid.
    I would think government officials would have their own email system. Just a thought, but I could be incorrect. However, to leave any important information on a server like GOOGLE, or YAHOO where they can easily read it, or store it like google does, is not a good idea for sensitive information.
    Charkoth
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    September 18th, 2008 @ 9:14AM

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    Ohh and GroverDill I just Purhcased a Frostmourne, I definately prefer sword site advertising to these stupid webcam softporn ads that make surfing this site at work painful.
    GroverDill
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    September 18th, 2008 @ 11:28AM

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    Hi Charkoth!

    Alaska has its own public records laws which are basically the same as FOIA in this context (assuming you live in Alaska, which I don't): link and link. I mean, I guess you're right that FOIA specifically doesn't apply to Palin, but that doesn't mean she isn't trying to pull a fast one by hiding 1100 e-mails. Be honest: if Obama was pulling something similar, you'd call him a scumbag.

    Be honest Charkoth. God can tell when you're lying...

    Much like switching a phone number, switching an email account is a major pain in the ass.

    It's not an issue that she has a personal e-mail account. It MAY be an issue if she's using that personal e-mail account in an effort to conduct official Alaska business while subverting public scrutiny. Put it this way: my company makes me connect to my e-mail through a secure VPN connection when sending or receiving any corporate e-mails. First of all, it's not hard to do. Second, I can assure you that my work requires far less correspondence security than that of the Governor of Alaska, which makes me entirely unsympathetic to your "pain in the ass" argument.

    Ohh and GroverDill I just Purhcased a Frostmourne

    Sweet! You can totally use it to start drilling for sweet, sweet oil in your backyard!

    BiVRiP
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    September 18th, 2008 @ 12:27PM

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    Ah Grover...you beat me to the punch!

    Yes Charkoth, the FOIA technically only applies at the federal level, but state freedom of information legislation is also commonly referred to as FOIA (colloquially perhaps, but the usage is common enough). Even the request process can/is referred to as FOI requests.

    But if we have to hash out the particulars then technically they're called sunshine laws which in Alaska's case would be the Alaska Public Records Act (as linked to by Grover) of which the Governor is not exempt (see HERE).

    Interestingly, THIS 2007 report shows that Alaska ranked 48/50 when it came to FOI responsiveness. Considering Palin was the governor during this period I again question how probable it is that she (along side McCain) would push for change in Washington.


    "because Alaska is so close to Russia..."

    You've got to be joking *slams head against wall repeatedly*
    Wibin
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    September 18th, 2008 @ 12:58PM

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    Thanks Biv.
    Your thinking about things differently then I.
    But that is okay.
    Charkoth
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    September 18th, 2008 @ 2:44PM

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    I'm aware that Alaska has seperate information laws, I merely wanted to point out that FEDERAL law does not apply.

    Grover, I LIKE Obama as a person. Moreso than McCain. I just thing his policy sucks and he doesn't have true understanding of the implications those policies would have on the American lifestyle. Just because I don't see eye to eye with someone doesn't mean I have to demonize them in order to justify my views as being superior.

    Now back to Alaska + Emails. I've taken the time to read through all of the Alaskan Law on the matter and have come to the following conclusions.

    The Wiki comments BivRip Linked have been MAJORLY overhauled since McCain Selected Sarah Palin as his VP as evidenced here. The Wiki version from BEFORE Sarah Palin's selection can be found
    HERE. Notice this does not mention governor etc. More proof that the author is obviously biased against Palin and thus I refuse to believe a thing she says.

    Now to the actual definitions:

    AS 40.25.110. Public Records Open to Inspection and Copying; Fees.

    (a) Unless specifically provided otherwise, the public records of all public agencies are open to inspection by the public under reasonable rules during regular office hours.

    AS 40.25.220. Definitions For AS 40.25.100
    In AS 40.25.100 - 40.25.220, unless the context otherwise requires,
    ...
    ...
    (3) "public records" means books, papers, files, accounts, writings, including drafts and memorializations of conversations, and other items, regardless of format or physical characteristics, that are developed or received by a public agency, or by a private contractor for a public agency, and that are preserved for their informational value or as evidence of the organization or operation of the public agency; "public records" does not include proprietary software programs;

    So yes Sarah Palins emails would fall under this agreement in the event that She conducted official business from them. From what I have seen so far she has done none of that from this account, even contacting .gov addresses on a private level does not mean she is conducting state business. How many people here contact their friends at their work email? I have quite a few people that I contact on their work email.

    So I'll wait and see what is released and if any of this is illegal before I make a judgement call like everyone here should do.

    Also, note the email accounts were NOT deleted, only their public profile from what I've read.



    BiVRiP
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    September 18th, 2008 @ 3:17PM

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    Agreed. It's tempting to jump the gun and contemplate the worst, but everyone is innocent until proven guilty. But I can't help be reminded of the old phrase "If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck..." :)
    Smokin Joe
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    September 18th, 2008 @ 3:35PM

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    Actually, because Alaska is so close to Russia, Palin is going to know a lot more about things going on that other states would not, including obama. So she has an upper hand on current events already, because she would be in the loop.


    HAHAHAHAHHA. Oh man that`s awesome. I really didn`t think people actually tried to make this connection, but they DID!!!!

    What loop would she be a part of? You really think Putin has her as a contact?

    Man, according to that logic (stolen from Colbert Report, I am not this creative hehe) -

    Since Mt. McKinley is in Alaska (tallest US mountain) - Palin must already have experience with a Space and Aeronautical Program. Please people, think for yourself, do some research.

    I hope I don`t say asinine statements like those... and if I do, I correct myself when someone (Charkoth... grrr) points them out.

    Oh, and I think our current American Lifestyle (live it up now, don`t think you affect the rest of the world, do whatever it takes to live luxuriously) is DEEPLY flawed. Too many Americans are living this unsustainable lifestyle while even more will never break the glass ceiling and reach this lofty status quo.
    GroverDill
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    September 18th, 2008 @ 4:55PM

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    I'm aware that Alaska has seperate information laws, I merely wanted to point out that FEDERAL law does not apply.

    That's cool, if we can agree that that was an entirely semantic argument on your part. I hope we can all agree that IF IT COMES OUT that Palin has been withholding e-mails where she has been trying to score crack rock or something, then that is a bad thing. Incidentally, as long as she withholds e-mails, my assumption is that she's trying to cover up smoking crack rock. That might be bias on my part, I guess.

    Just because I don't see eye to eye with someone doesn't mean I have to demonize them in order to justify my views as being superior.

    Nobody is demonizing Palin out of hand. She brought an awful lot of baggage along with her to the nomination. Obama and Biden are under the exact same scrutiny that Palin and McCain are, but nothing has come out against them like the trooper thing and this stupid e-mail issue. As far as I'm concerned, there are serious character issues with Palin, and I sort of think that means something at the Presidential level.

    I sort of feel bad for you and your ilk that you're put in a position to defend this sort of nonsense. The anti-baby-murder platform deserves better than these two. I understand your point though that you can't change what you have to work with.

    So I'll wait and see what is released and if any of this is illegal before I make a judgement call like everyone here should do.

    Sweet! Let's do that! Maybe it will turn out that she has nothing to hide?
    Gamelore
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    September 19th, 2008 @ 2:19AM

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    Using a public email address, so what? It`s not like she conducted official government conversations there. Personal communication is exempt. Policy discussions with aides are exempt.

    Also, why couldn`t she fire someone for defending an asshole? Sounds like fair game if you`re the governor.

    I like her "baggage" so far. Kind of stuff that shows she`s not wasting any brainpower being PC about anything.
    Charkoth
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    September 19th, 2008 @ 7:39AM

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    GroverDill I was just talking about your "Obama is a scumbag" comment. I don't have to demonize him to disagree with his views.

    I don't feel Sarah Palin has any real baggage at this point. The Trooper thing and this email things are non-issues unless someone uncovers some serious wrongdoing.

    Sarah Palin has busted way too many people for corruption to be so stupid as to be corrupt herself. She would get hanged for it as she has a LOT of enemies in Alaska which everyone seems to forget here. She is going to have just as enemies in Washington when she enters the white house and "Shakes things up".

    I DO know however that she would want to protect her PRIVATE conversations with friends and allies from media exposure so obviously she isn't going to release those emails to the public for good reason. I mean how would you feel if someone was secretly taping Obama's Cell Phone conversations with his strategists and friends and then released them in full to the public?

    Always remember Politicians hide the parts of themselves they don't want to show you and flaunt the parts of themselves they do. There isn't a politician in history who hasn't. Ignorance is the status quo in America, and if we don't know about it we don't care about it.
    psudo
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    September 19th, 2008 @ 9:13AM

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    "If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck..." then you can feel irrationally justified when you jump to inaccurate conclusions.
    BiVRiP
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    September 19th, 2008 @ 2:05PM

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    It`s not like she conducted official government conversations there

    That's the whole point Gamelore...we don't know what communication has transpired. We are presuming that all communication via these yahoo accounts were above board. I'm willing to give her the benefit of the doubt, but it does not negate the questions I initially brought up given the information that is presently available. This is about security and accountability.

    Sarah Palin has busted way too many people for corruption to be so stupid as to be corrupt herself.

    Two words: Eliot Spitzer :)

    then you can feel irrationally justified when you jump to inaccurate conclusions.

    I haven't concluded anything. All I've done is pose questions that merit investigation. It's one thing to send personal or non-work related emails from your work account - everybody does it to some degree. But it's a completely different story when you send work related emails from a non-work account.

    And then there's the issue of her withholding about 1100 emails from an open records request as posted by Grover. Did you happen to look at the PDF it included? (DIRECT LINK TO PDF)

    Now you tell me...how can she claim "Deliberative Process / Executive" status on emails that include her husband who has no official standing or position in the government? I also find it questionable that many emails are marked as "Deliberative Process" yet the subject lines seem to suggest the content is anything but policy related which if true means that they are not exempt from being released to the public.

    Look, I'm all for protecting her privacy but I find her actions regarding this whole email business questionable and suspect. I'm wary of all politicians, especially those who try to avoid accountability.
    Charkoth
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    September 19th, 2008 @ 10:06PM

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    Bivrip the emails she sent to Todd Palin HAVE to be released due to the same laws I quoted above.Only 40 of the 1100 were CCed to him however. One of the Alaskan laws states anything released to a member of the general public can not be withheld from the rest of the public, granted it could be legally argued that Todd Palin was a recipient of the communication and that he didn't receive the email from a public records request which to me seems to be how the law was worded.

    However I think her withholding them at this point is pure politics and not necessarily wrongdoing. I'd say the same thing if this were Obama. I'm sick of the media digging into and scrutinizing EVERY SINGLE THING about Sarah Palin they can find. It is like Britney Spears syndrome all over. So if she can LEGALLY hold onto the info or stall it until after the election just to keep people from some embarrassing (yet legal) email I'm all for it.

    BiVRiP
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    September 20th, 2008 @ 3:50AM

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    I'm sick of the media digging into and scrutinizing EVERY SINGLE THING about Sarah Palin they can find.

    She is vying for the 2nd most powerful position in America with a possible chance (perhaps even probable) of succeeding McCain as President. All Americans should be demanding that the media investigate every nook and cranny of her public life - just as they have done (and arguably more so) with McCain, Obama & Biden. If there are skeletons in her closet, the people have a right to know about them before the vote takes place.

    And lets put things into perspective. Not three weeks ago no one even knew who this woman was. She was and still very much remains an unknown. There is nothing being said or done to Palin that hasn't been said or done to McCain, Obama or Biden. The only difference is that the media has put all the other candidates through the ringer over a 1.5+ year period. With Palin, they have less than 2 months until the election to paint a picture for the rest of us so we can gauge what kind of leader she is, what she stands for and how she conducts herself.

    Would the media be any less dogged if it were Obama that had selected some unknown female democratic Governor as his running mate 2 months before the election? I think not.
    Smokin Joe
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    September 20th, 2008 @ 10:56AM

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    Yeah, I gotta agree. I mean, the media and news outlets have gone through the three major other names, and with Palin, we do deserve the right to know who she is.

    I mean, I`m not even voting for her, if I were, I`d demand to know everything about her and her policies. Because while she would be held accountable for her actions, the voters would have to be held personally responsible for putting her there in the first place to a certain degree.

    Of course, there are limits, but I don`t see the media doing to her anything more than they`ve done to other people that have, so called, `deserved it.`

    AggieSpirit
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    September 22nd, 2008 @ 12:40PM

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    Would be nice of the media to remind us again of Jermemiah Wright`s comments.


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