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Tuesday, September 9th, 2014SUGGEST NEWS

Diablo III
Posted by: Nebuchadnezzar on September 9th, 2014 @ 2:19PM

Community ExpectNothingDOTCom Created. Please join. Our clan is going too but that's for people we know or members in other games.

FIXED The problem in this thread with the long list of accounts. It should scroll a little better. I think this is our biggest thread ever.

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/reaper-of-souls/

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Disastrous Fate
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June 23rd, 2008 @ 10:41AM

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There is clearly some Lich King stuff going on there (symbol from Frostmourne, etc.), but why Lich King teasers? We`ve known about it for months....
DeuceOfSpades
Kali Compton

June 23rd, 2008 @ 10:43AM

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Let me guess: eventually the ice melts away to announce the release of the WoW expansion?
Jeff
Diablo Fan

June 23rd, 2008 @ 10:52AM

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Yeah I don't think this could be anything but Wrath of the Lich King. A release date? Beta announcement?
Benzo
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June 23rd, 2008 @ 11:18AM

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can't wait till the secrets out! hopes it's a beta test announcement!
Nebuchadnezzar
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June 23rd, 2008 @ 11:22AM

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http://kotaku.com/5018764/blizzard-website-teasing-something-cold
http://www.wowinsider.com/2008/06/23/more-signs-of-cold-on-official-sites/
http://www.diablofans.com/forums/showthread.php?s=63d92cd4a5d357721b164b51af6d8cf6&t=8565
http://www.worldofwar.net/n/414860/blizzard-tease-2008
http://www.worldofwar.net/n/414868/blizzard-image-solved
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=316797
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=7378120119&sid=1
http://www.thunderpudd.com/2008/secret-blizzard-project/
http://www.sc2pod.com/news/Mysterious_Splash_Screen/
http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/8682/icexk6.jpg


EDITED: 2008-06-23 11:45:44
Jeff
Diablo Fan

June 23rd, 2008 @ 12:07PM

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Ok, that purple thing is a bit strange.

http://us.media.blizzard.com/232309/_images/04.jpg
RowdyRoddyPiper
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June 23rd, 2008 @ 12:19PM

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I hope its a diablo 3! maybe the ice flavor they are going with is because the artist who made it loves making ice`adins hehe. shockadins were always more fun tho but i prefer hammerdins if it is just another blurb for wrath of the lich king then lame
cobsteele02
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June 23rd, 2008 @ 12:30PM

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Come on Diablo 3!
Nebuchadnezzar
The King

June 23rd, 2008 @ 1:43PM

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http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk78/Symphonic22/Picture4finished.jpg
http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj233/yo_its_renee/Grimace.jpg

EDITED: 2008-06-23 13:57:55
Ackeron
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June 23rd, 2008 @ 2:14PM

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Except...didn`t Blizzard already announce WoTLK? Why would they do it again? And as far as I remember, they don`t do the secret splash screen stuff unless it`s a new game announcement. All this work just to say WoTLK is entering beta seems a little excessive.

And we know SC2 is still in internal testing, so we won`t be seeing a beta announcement for that until August maybe, or later...

Sooo I`m going to guess Diablo3 (release date 2012) or something COMPLETELY DIFFERENT :O
Jeff
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June 23rd, 2008 @ 3:53PM

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Haha
TheSilver_Ghost
is awesome.

June 23rd, 2008 @ 6:04PM

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Nebu, you dirty SOB. ;p
Nebuchadnezzar
The King

June 23rd, 2008 @ 6:11PM

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http://www.gamespot.com/news/6192839.html
http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3168364
http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk78/Symphonic22/Picture4finished.jpg
http://www.mmo-champion.com/index.php?topic=9138.0 (240 replies)
http://www.sclegacy.com/showthread.php?t=150
http://ve3d.ign.com/articles/news/39460/Blizzard-com-Teases-With-New-Splash-Page
http://www.bluesnews.com/cgi-bin/board.pl?action=viewthread&threadid=88768
http://www.actiontrip.com/rei/comments_news.phtml?id=062308_5
http://www.worldofraids.com/news/156.html (103 replies)


EDITED: 2008-06-24 18:36:30
LaGG
Peon v2.0

June 23rd, 2008 @ 6:42PM

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why would they have anything other than something warcraft related on the worldofwarcraft.com website?
DukeSoccer
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June 23rd, 2008 @ 8:15PM

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I'm surprised no one has realized that Blizzard has been hiring people for a "next-gen mmo"... My guess this is an announcement of what it is
meorah
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June 23rd, 2008 @ 9:32PM

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let me know when they announce something. ever since the SC Ghost teaser instead of SC II teaser, I could really give a flying rat`s what kind of teasers they put out.

gotta keep those marketing guys employed somehow, I guess.
craig
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June 23rd, 2008 @ 10:09PM

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Why would GF put this in a WoW section if it wasn't a WoW announcement =/
Xhokhusmak
Peon

June 23rd, 2008 @ 11:51PM

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Nebu is just demonstrating that he still has the power to stir up half the Internet at his will.

haha
LaGG
Peon v2.0

June 24th, 2008 @ 1:11AM

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i have changed my opinion

the second image clearly shows the "hel" rune from diablo 2.

the spacing of the runes in relation to the center of light is lining up nicely to be a pentagram.

remember when they announced world of warcraft? everybody thought it was a starcraft announcement because they started the screens way out in space looking onto a planet.

EDITED: 2008-06-24 01:16:13
DeuceOfSpades
Kali Compton

June 24th, 2008 @ 1:29AM

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I change my vote as well. My vote is for the next gen MMO.
SourGrapes
Peon

June 24th, 2008 @ 2:37AM

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When they do teasers like this or make an annoucement its always on ALL their websites. So what website its on is no clue. Also there`s no doubt either that theres still something big about WOTLK or SC2 that hasn`t been announced yet. I mean 3 simultaneous projects? From Blizzard? We talking about the same company that can barely make 1 game every few years?
jdLordHelmet
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June 24th, 2008 @ 5:02AM

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Wow, it's Diablo related for sure! 100% positive now, the Hel rune did it for me. The first one looks like Shael.

Diablo II runes.
craig
Guitar God

June 24th, 2008 @ 5:20AM

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OMFG it is a Hel rune graphic! Nice!
Disastrous Fate
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June 24th, 2008 @ 8:00AM

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It`s totally Diablo.
Nalcolm
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June 24th, 2008 @ 10:17AM

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Diablo DS?
Nebuchadnezzar
The King

June 24th, 2008 @ 12:18PM

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http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=158891
http://www.joystiq.com/2008/06/24/blizzard-teaser-image-is-mysterious-evolving/
http://www.bluesnews.com/cgi-bin/board.pl?action=viewthread&threadid=88804
http://kotaku.com/5019070/does-this-latest-update-prove-diablo-iii-or-not
http://kotaku.com/5019074/blizzard-jpg-puzzle-pieces-puzzle
http://www.wowinsider.com/2008/06/24/blizzards-icy-splash-screen-changes-as-diablo-3-and-wotlk-specu/
http://forums.penny-arcade.com/showthread.php?t=61842
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=73914
http://www.sc2pod.com/news/Splash_Screen_Updated/
http://www.diabloii.net/articles/667288/wwi-splash-image-teasers
http://www.quartertothree.com/game-talk/showthread.php?t=45330&page=4
http://forums.f13.net/index.php?topic=13157.0
http://boards.1up.com/zd/board/message?board.id=games&thread.id=751012
RowdyRoddyPiper
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June 24th, 2008 @ 1:32PM

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diablo 3 oh man i hope so, hel rune, shael rune. its confirmed DIABLO 3 no doubt! i do hope they have a good teaser ready with video and gameplay. oh man life is good. i must have lurked the battlenet d2 forums for years hoping for some diablo 3 hints....finally that time is here. thanks now im not gonna be able to sleep for a long time. rumors are its in 3d i cant wait to do a barbarians battlecrys and watch the screen shake and whirlwinding thu badguys hahaha YESSSSSSSSS. gems runes and runewords oh my.

of course if im wrong and its just a prank by blizz and the announcement is "New unit for starcraft announced! Frozen zergling! with a frozen stinger on its tail that when stikes an enemy it causes their movement to be slowed by 5%. Click here for video" yeah...thats most likely what will be the case
Nebuchadnezzar
The King

June 24th, 2008 @ 3:08PM

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http://ctolpin.googlepages.com/diabloonice.jpg
jdLordHelmet
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June 24th, 2008 @ 3:55PM

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Lol, diablo on ice... funny.

I am so pumped about the D3 announcement. I really hope it keeps the charm and basic gameplay of D2. Specifically, I really hope it's not an mmo. I need it to be isometric, fixed camera, and only then can it be a 3D engine. Something like Titan Quest, but not a turd.
bshido
Peon

June 24th, 2008 @ 4:59PM

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i could care less lol, SC2 and SF4 lets do this!!!
BiVRiP
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June 24th, 2008 @ 9:46PM

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I'm leaning towards a D3 announcement as well. Aside from the reasons already provided, here's my 2 cents...

1) Teasers such as this have historically been a precursor to an announcement of Blizzard's next project. The announcements usually happen at a large scale event. Both WC3 and WoW were unveiled at ECTS. Last year the unveiling of SC2 took place at the Blizzard's Worldwide Invitational. This year's BWI is happening this weekend. I would be VERY surprised if a new project wasn't mentioned.

2) Both WotLK and SC2 have already been publicly announced and both are already listed as "Current Projects" on Blizzard's main page.

3) Unless Blizzard has created a new franchise, and with both the Warcraft and Starcraft universes having updates in the works, the most probable and lucrative yet-to-be announced project would have to be a follow-up from the Diablo universe.


Regardless of the final verdict, given Blizzard's track record it would not surprise me if the game was already well into development.

EDITED: 2008-06-24 21:47:51
bschultz
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June 24th, 2008 @ 9:57PM

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they have been working on diablo 3 for at most 7 years and at the minimum 4-5 years. Rumors say that blizzard north had an almost complete game that got totaly thrown out. And work started over at blizzard Irvine, after they shut down blizzard north.
bshido
Peon

June 24th, 2008 @ 11:59PM

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whatever it is, better not be an mmo
craig
Guitar God

June 25th, 2008 @ 5:58AM

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Bleh- the new symbol in the image is the Protoss symbol.

This buildup crap is annoying- wake me up on Saturday for the announcement.
Zaar
Special Ops

June 25th, 2008 @ 6:08AM

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well the hel rune is still vivid, however the "shael rune" now is revealed and doesnt quite look it anymore. However, the light around the center IS shaping up to be a pentegram
jdLordHelmet
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June 25th, 2008 @ 6:10AM

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I'm not so sure that it's really the protoss symbol, nor am I convinced the first one was from Frostmourne. Both of those references are pretty obscure and neither looks 100% like the supposed reference. The Hel rune is spot on. Still, it does appear that this new symbol is not a Diablo 2 rune. I don't really know what to make of it, but I am no longer 100% convinced it's D3.

EDIT: Let me clarify the "obscure" comment.

The supposed Frostmourne rune is from, to the best of my knowledge, ONE artist's depiction of the sword. If someone has other pictures showing the same rune on the sword, I'd like to see it. The rune really does look a lot like Shael from D2, more than the sword reference.

The new Protoss symbol comes from what? Where in-game does this sybol exist? Or, is it again just somthing pulled from one drawing somewhere on the SC website? I was never a huge SC fan so this one I am not sure about.

As for the Hel rune, the runes in D2 are a major gameplay element and their images are prominent within the game.

EDITED: 2008-06-25 06:16:22
Frimzy
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June 25th, 2008 @ 6:35AM

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Nebu, what do you think should be done to the individual who updates the website with new images. Do you think he should be beaten senseless for torturing the fans? Please give me your OBVIOUSLY unbiased opinion on this question. :)
ROBOKATZ
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June 25th, 2008 @ 8:08AM

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Diablo symbols + World of Warcraft website = World of Diablo.
DukeSoccer
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June 25th, 2008 @ 10:03AM

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Robo, its on every site of Blizzard not just WoW. Its a teaser, they are going to promote it on every site of theirs...

I'm surprised no one remembers Starcraft Ghost. I read an article about projects that Blizzard has abandoned, and Starcraft Ghost was not on the list. However, it has been like 5 years since it was announced, so thats bloody unlikely that they are still working on it, especially with SC2 coming out.

However, no one has seem to notice that Blizzard is hiring people for a next-gen MMO. So Diablo 3 will most likely be an MMO, unless they are working on some new project. So if it is a new Diablo game, be prepared for it to be an MMO and not the classic Diablo game that we are all used to.
Nebuchadnezzar
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June 25th, 2008 @ 10:18AM

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http://digg.com/pc_games/Blizzard_s_New_Splash_Screen_Does_It_Herald_Diablo_3
http://kotaku.com/5019432/everyone-will-be-really-excited-about-blizzard-announcement
http://kotaku.com/5019405/blizzard-our-fans-get-angry-yo
http://kotaku.com/5019074/blizzard-jpg-puzzle-pieces-puzzle
http://kotaku.com/5019478/world-of-warcraft-song-coming-to-guitar-hero-iii
http://www.n4g.com/gaming/NewsCom-161430.aspx?CT=1#Comments
http://sc2pod.com/news/Countdown_to_Diablo_3/
http://www.wowzone.co.uk/2008/06/more-analysis-on-the-ice-screen/
Istari
Kali Compton

June 25th, 2008 @ 10:41AM

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I think it's awesome. Hope the web team / artists and everyone envoled is getting a kick out of it. Nobody in the business does this stuff better :)
bshido
Peon

June 25th, 2008 @ 10:51AM

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@todays update

oh wow so it is D3, 3 confirmed runes!
BiVRiP
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June 25th, 2008 @ 11:10AM

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Maybe someone could enlighten me, but aside from a change in graphics, how would D3 as an MMO be any different than WoW? They're both medieval / fantasy oriented. You'd end up practically with the same classes, spells and weapons. The quests would be all but identical. Further, it doesn't make a lot sense to have 2 similar MMO's running concurrently. In short, it would more of the same but with a different name.

I think only the Starcraft franchise offers enough of a change of venue to warrant an MMO approach. Given that Blizzard is hiring people for a secret next-gen MMO, I would imagine that it would have to be something that supplements or even replaces WoW. A Starcraft MMO would make the most sense.

With that in mind, I'm still casting my vote for a new Diablo release. I doubt it will be an MMO though.
BiVRiP
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June 25th, 2008 @ 11:19AM

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Nebu...you're too funny. All the link spamming to fuel the fire and not one opinion one way or the other. I can just imagine you sitting back in your chair reading these comments and saying, "If only they knew what I know, Muhahahaha!" :)
jdLordHelmet
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June 25th, 2008 @ 11:25AM

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The more I think about it, I could see it being a Diablo "MMO," but not in the WoW sense. Consider D2, but rather than having a lobby where people chat and then go into games with up to 8 people, they are all in the same virtual world and run instances. Same game style, same gameplay, but all running in the same virtual world that is heavily instanced, a la HGL or GW. In fact, I couldn't imagine D3 being any other way. The D2-style chatroom lobby where people hang out before running games would certainly not be in D3.

So, they do this type of change, and in a sense it is "MMO," but not in the WoW sense. The next question.... monthly fee? Probably, but knowing Blizzard, they'd make it worth it.
what316
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June 25th, 2008 @ 11:31AM

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Cool stuff. I think nebu is just proud of making a nice teaser that gets a lot of people talking. I am pretty sick of WoW, they would have to do something ground breaking to make me say "man, I can`t wait for WotLK." Diablo3 would be great, i`ll settle for more info on SC2, that game is going to be a blast.
Disastrous Fate
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June 25th, 2008 @ 11:54AM

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And again I`m stumped. Diablo 3 is still the most likely, but that wouldn`t make any sense. Why have Diablo 3 when World of Warcraft is so much like Diablo to begin with? It seems like they would be creating their own competition. How would Diablo 3 really distance itself from WoW? Maybe if they REALLY focused on the single player....
RowdyRoddyPiper
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June 25th, 2008 @ 1:03PM

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oh blaaa. it looks like its starcraft online -_- i really dont want to be leveling up a siege tank http://www.tradingmarkets.com/.site/news/Stock%20News/1036606/ link there says it all. sc online i want diablo 3 damnit!
jdLordHelmet
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June 25th, 2008 @ 1:36PM

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And again I`m stumped. Diablo 3 is still the most likely, but that wouldn`t make any sense. Why have Diablo 3 when World of Warcraft is so much like Diablo to begin with? It seems like they would be creating their own competition. How would Diablo 3 really distance itself from WoW? Maybe if they REALLY focused on the single player....

I really don't understand why people keep saying D3 is too similar to WoW... in what way? There are swords, magic, and other players. Umm, I think that's about it. Two VERY different games, especially in the gameplay aspects.
bshido
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June 25th, 2008 @ 1:40PM

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D3 CONFIRMED!! FUCK YAAA!!!!!


pardo is the man :)
BiVRiP
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June 25th, 2008 @ 2:27PM

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jd: I think the crux of that viewpoint is that it's hard to conceptualize playing a new Diablo product from a non-isometric POV and as a possible MMO (even if it's heavily instanced) without the game mechanics drawing direct parallels to WoW.
jdLordHelmet
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June 25th, 2008 @ 2:45PM

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Of course, but if they change the camera to be non-iso, it isn't diablo. That would be like making SC2 non-iso. People keep throwing these things around but it's ridiculous.

Would you consider Diablo 2 an MMO? I wouldn't. Nor do I consider GW or HGL MMOs. Why does Diablo 3 have to be an MMO? Even if it IS an MMO, I am sure it will be NOTHING like WoW.

Imagine playing D2, but instead of meeting up in a chat room, you start out in town with hundreds of people. You take a guild raid of 40 people on a baal run, but you are in locked isometric view, clicking on crap around you just like in D2, albeit with prettier graphics.

Summary:
-More people per game working together
-Better graphics (3D)
-No game lobby, just enter the world and see who else is playing.

How does this make it compete with WoW? You guys seem to be assuming a lot of things that, to me, would be SHOCKING if Blizzard did it. If they are calling it MMO, I am *SURE* it is in the Guild Wars sense (not a real EQ-style MMO). In no way would it compete with WoW... at least, not any more than any other good game. It's a different genre, and I don't just mean thematically.
jdLordHelmet
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June 25th, 2008 @ 2:48PM

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And for the record, Diablo 2 is hands down my favorite game of all time.
Jeff
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June 25th, 2008 @ 4:02PM

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If it's Diablo 3 or World of Diablo I think I have to go to BlizzCon this year. Previously I had decided not to, since I went last year.
craig
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June 25th, 2008 @ 5:33PM

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I don't know that it's relevant, but D2 is in my top 3 games of all time and I have ZERO interest in WoW.
bschultz
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June 25th, 2008 @ 5:40PM

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I'm actually kind of hoping they ditch the isometric view.
Jeff
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June 25th, 2008 @ 6:39PM

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There's a good summary of what's found so far at http://www.diablofans.com/
BiVRiP
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June 25th, 2008 @ 7:01PM

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Assuming the new game is D3, I think there's really only one important question left...

How does one reach the new secret cow level?
Slev
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June 25th, 2008 @ 8:56PM

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diablo 3... yawn... do something new already.
LaGG
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June 26th, 2008 @ 12:15AM

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so far for the hidden images, we have 4 of the numbers from lost

4,8,15,16,23,42

THEY DON'T MEAN ANYTHING! =)

it's still diablo 3
RowdyRoddyPiper
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June 26th, 2008 @ 3:55AM

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this is no doubt the best week ever. if its diablo 3 im gonna ...im gonna...well im gonna poop MAH PANTS WITH EXCITEMENT.todays splash is looking more and more diablo`ish those eyes.....who can it be??
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http://kotaku.com/5019791/blizzard-splashwatch-day-four-+-lost-edition
http://kotaku.com/5019760/
http://www.joystiq.com/2008/06/26/eyes-appear-in-blizzard-splash-screen/
http://fidgit.com/archives/2008/06/top-ten-blizzard-announcement.php
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=191551&site=pcg
http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3168404
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Heres my own personal take on what it is:
http://www.campaigncreations.org/forum/index.php?topic=906.0

The timing is perfect, everything fits. This is definitely it.
Jeff
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Haha Desler.
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Link
LaGG
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where's the "this is sparta" splash gif?
TheSilver_Ghost
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Ok so it's a dark templar? What the hell?
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Because SC and WC already have projects for their universes I`m going to say that it`s not Diablo 3 because before WoW was announced we thought the same thing. It could be another game in either universe. People thought it was Diablo 3 last time too haha. The purple monster looks like that walrus thing. But really all this stuff is probably just there to throw you off.
LaGG
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it could still be anything.

this reminds me of watching lost (ignoring the image numbers) they give you a whole lot of clues, nothing fits together, and they never explain anything.

it's diablo 3... keep the faith!
RowdyRoddyPiper
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Its revealed!!! holy moly. i have so many questions too

http://img107.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spashscreense2.jpg
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They are doing everything they can to make us uncertain what the announcement will be. Everyone (including me) is buying into the hype and getting whipped into a frenzy- which is exactly what Blizz wants.

At this point, I'm certain the the announcement will be for Diablo 3 (or whatever they choose to call the next game in the Diablo series) and I'll be both extremely surprised and extremely disappointed if it isn't.
jdLordHelmet
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It has to be diablo 3... The guys over at diabloii.net posted some "inside sources" confirming that it is. I would highly, highly doubt that they'd just throw something like that out there. For 10 years, they have been THE Diablo fansite and I don't think they'd post something like that without really solid sources.
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In addition, why would the WWI 2008 logo prominently display Diablo on top, with Arthas and Kerrigan on the sides? Blizzard hasn't made money on the franchise in what, 8 years? This logo will be on the t-shirts people buy to remember the event, and right there as the center of attention is Diablo. If there wasn't a diablo announcement, you'd think Arthas would be on top to celebrate WotLK coming soon, or something SC2 related.
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Hey a new no-cd patch for Diablo 2 :) I didn't realize... sounds like a good excuse to do my bi-annual reinstall to me :)
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W.....T.....F.....

I don't know if that's fake or real, but that's awesome either way.... it almost looks too good to be fake... and posting it here seems wrong. But if it gets taken down (here or on bnet), then that's confirmation, isn't it? :)

EDIT: Just noticed it's on diabloii.net forums, not bnet.

EDITED: 2008-06-27 06:29:03
BiVRiP
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Great link Sig! I agree with jd, real or fake you have to love it. At this point, I honesty can't fathom the game NOT being Diablo related.

While Blizzard is great at obfuscating their intentions, from a purely business standpoint the Diablo franchise is next in line for an update. It's a guaranteed cash-cow.
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Nebu have you considered joining the Inquisition due to your excellent torture skills?
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http://www.campaigncreations.org/forum/index.php?topic=906.0
http://kotaku.com/5020164/blizzard-splashwatch-day-five-+-death-knights-protoss-and-purple-penguins
http://forums.diabloii.net/showpost.php?p=6568655&postcount=301
http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q132/15926300000/splashatk2.gif
http://www.joystiq.com/2008/06/27/blizzard-splash-screen-update-for-june-27/
http://digg.com/pc_games/4th_Blizzard_Rune_spotted_eyes_in_the_sky_Are_we_LOST_yet
http://www.petaimg.com/uploads/1214574205.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3206/2614720549_c4141dbe49.jpg
http://i25.tinypic.com/fwnep1.gif
http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/8034/faithv23tk1.jpg
http://www.diabloii.net/n/667391/splash-image-article-updated
http://www.diabloii.net/n/667403/a-game-will-be-announced-at-wwi
http://wowriot.gameriot.com/blogs/The-Starfeed/NO-WAI-This-is-your-Purple-Monster-Also-check-out-the-5th-Rune/
http://www.sc2pod.com/news/


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The Penguin is deckard cain, i knew it.

or samwise has moved onto penguins now.
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The link Sig posted is fake for sure, the ice doesn't change each time. I noticed this earlier but didn't mention it. Still cool.
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Hum... okay, uh, Diablo III? I don't know anymore. ;)
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http://i27.tinypic.com/28wfmzc.jpg
http://www.worldofwar.net/gallery/data/500/Notebook.jpg

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diablo's horn is now visable

okay... so now how long do i have to wait to play it? I would shit myself if it's available before the end of 2008.
jdLordHelmet
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YYYYYYYYYYEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!
AncYuber
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June 28th, 2008 @ 6:38AM

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Says 5 classes on the site


Barb
Witch Doctor

Guesses but very likely as they were in both D1 and D2
Sorcerer
Rogue/Amazon

...

Paladin?

RIP my fav Necromancer ='(

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jdLordHelmet
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The witch doctor seems to have basically inherited the necromancer's abilities, the way the amazon in D2 was a twist on the rogue from D1.

I would venture to guess the paladin will be back due to the Zakarum references in the lore and stuff. Maybe it's just wishful thinking, because I love paladins in D2.

I am so glad they seem to be keeping the feel of the original games. The 3D engine could have easily killed that feel, but they didn't let it happen. Fixed iso camera, fast paced slaughtering of hordes of enemies, and an art style that looks dark and detailed, not the over-sized and disproportionate look of the other Blizzard titles. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but that's not Diablo.

I am excited :)
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All of the runes from the splash screen are in Cain's lore journal on page 13 :)



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Now that D3 has been announced Nebu, can you explain what is the deal with the evil penguin? :)
TheSilver_Ghost
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Man this looks so damn sexy. SO SEXY.

Whoever did the page, it's truly awesome. Incredibly impressive!
Too bad as a vista user I can't watch any of the flash without it hardlocking my system...thanks adobe.
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wow wow wow. its finally here. looks amazing too. downloading the trailer now. going really slow. the screenshots are very good. i agree with jdlord im glad they kept it looking like the original but massively updated. that babrb looks pure fun
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Great...Now I`ll have to buy a new computer ;)
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I`m clicking the gem but what does it DO?!?!
bshido
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WHERES MY NECRO???? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
craig
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June 28th, 2008 @ 2:37PM

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The WoW forum you've linked to is terrible. It sounds like a bunch of whiny children.. "who wants D3 blah blah blah."
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I for one am extremely happy with the decision to make the sequel, the game was stale and I moved into WoW. I've hated WoW forever, but play it because this is what my friends do.

Don't screw it up Blizz with stupid factions and raids for gear and junk most D2ers cannot stand!

Buying my copy the minute they are available.
LaGG
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the gem is actually the control for a giant contraption installed in the blizzard offices, it has several hundred whips. the faster you click it, the faster it whips the devs, which makes them work on diablo 3 faster!

click, my minions! click!
LaGG
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oh, and nebu, there better be guild halls this time.
Xhokhusmak
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Stay a while and listen...

finally something that interests me again.

Make sure you guys better have a damn good Hardcore mode!
craig
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"Make sure you guys better have a damn good Hardcore mode!"

I'm sure I'd play it without, but HC is what has kept D2 interesting for so long. HC had better be an option for D3 out of the box- that's where I plan on starting and staying as long as I play.


edit: bad tags


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Jeff
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I tried Hardcore in D2 and lasted 4 levels. Being careful and worried all the time is not my idea of fun =]

That said, I can see why many enjoy it, and there's no reason for them not to include HC.
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I just want to come in and point and laugh at all the naysayers.
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Hahah suprise suprise. Barbarian is back, good news. The bad news, how will I find time to play this, WOTLK, and SC2?
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Diablo freaking 3. It`s about time!
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As long as they do not allow PvP in Hardcore mode (permanent death makes pvp exploits a huge danger), I would play it 100% of the time.
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I don't think I'd opt for hardcore mode, at least not in the beginning. I'd end up too paranoid about dying and it would remove a significant portion of the fun factor for me. Even back in my prime D2 days, after beating Baal on hell difficulty numerous times, I never considered playing hardcore.

While I was a dedicated player, perhaps my unwillingness to gamble with hardcore was due to the fact my circle of friends who were into D2 at the time although reliable, were for the most part casual players.

On a more positive note, I've devoured everything that's presently available regarding the sequel. The game trailer while only 20 min took me over an hour to watch. There's just so many goodies to absorb! I'm glad they kept the iso POV. The implementation of 3-d and an interactive environment is a huge plus.
bshido
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This is just the best couple of years in gaming in awhile, 07 was a damn powerhouse, 08 is on fire, 09 is gonna be nuts. SF4, SC2, D3, KZ2, SC4, Tekken 6. just crazyness.
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Hardcore was supposed to be a funny joke. It's amazing how many people love it. So I hope they offer it again.
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Hardcore made D2 one of the best games of all time. Had there been better attention to balance (there have been major balance issues since day 1), D2 would be in contention to be the best game EVER.

Diablo 2 is really a simple game. I don't understand how people die in Normal or Nightmare (things can get pretty nasty in Hell). Just be careful. Work with your party. Don't bite off more than you can chew. Get Battle Orders ALL THE TIME. Worry more about staying alive (life, resists) than damage output.

The game would be much harder if things were better balanced. Whirlwind used to be amazing and extremely fun, but it was nerfed into uselessness. But the Paladin's Blessed Hammer is absolutely broken. It can annihilate everything. Where's the logic in ruining an overpowered skill and making another godly?

/pointless rant. I so hope D3 is done right.
RowdyRoddyPiper
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yeah i tried hardcore one time and one time only got my pally to level 24 and got to normal duriel. he killed me fast. i stopped hc right then and there
Wootah
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Yeah, i don't see how hardcore could possibly be fun. How long do you build up your guy before you try and kill those statue bosses (yeah I was casual).
AncYuber
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Hardcore is what I played. You really have to come into HC with a different view and different playstyle to survive. As craig has already stated the reasons. Building for survivability is key.

HC is D3 could be very tricky... From what I understand there are no pots, you have to kill to regen health. I cant say I really like the way this sounds for hardcore, however I'll have to wait to see how it works out. =(
Xhokhusmak
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As long as they do not allow PvP in Hardcore mode (permanent death makes pvp exploits a huge danger), I would play it 100% of the time.

Haha. I was one of those pkers. It was fun killing people, til I got killed myself of course. :P And when you die, you just make another character and continue your pk spree! Seriously, you should be on your toes, you see somebody turn on aggro, you better be prepared. Fight or Flight. AncYuber has got it exactly right. There`s two options. Build for survivability, or a quick pk build, investing in a high damage weapon first for those surprise pkers mean.


No potions? Good, now those Rejuv pot spamming WW barbs aren`t impossible to kill anymore in HC. Freaking bastards.
LaGG
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there are still going to be potions, they're just not going to be as large a part of gameplay as before.

basically i think they're going for emergency only.
mad_dog1
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Hardcore funny joke?

It was the thing that made d2 interesting for me after finishing it the first time.
Played hc for years until baal runs made the game insanely monotone and dull.
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Hardcore was no joke. I played the game 6 years, 2 in SC and 4 in HC and Ladder in those remaining years. The game remained fresh for a long time for me because of that.

The most fun in HC was LLPK, hunting down the people that stayed in game when you went host. Nothing made you more broke than twinking out an OP 9 Sin. I actually downed a level 93 necro with one that wasn't AFK.

Was also fun to roll a lightning sorc in Softcore and go PKing entire Baal runs just to watch the reactions. OP Act 2 mercs were so FTW when people don't stack resistance in SC.

DeuceOfSpades
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Never said I had anything against PKs in hardcore - don't misunderstand - but people were able to hack D2 to instantly turn on hostile when outside the town and go on absolute killing sprees, among other things. If somebody hacks and kills you in Hardcore, it doesn't matter: your character is gone.
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Yeah there are still potions, some dropped in the gameplay video (download the high quality version). I hope they're more like WoW potions and I wouldn't even mind if they put them on a timer. Diablo 3 definitely won't be a potion fest.

I really hope they fix the hacking problem in Diablo 3. Diablo 2 had so many hacked and duped items that they became a part of the game. I believe they removed the hacked items eventually but it took a very long time. Also there was maphack, pickit, etc. which gave the cheaters a big unfair advantage. At one point there was even a hack that showed you what your "random" item would be before you bought it. They learned their lesson and WoW was good from launch so I have confidence that Diablo 3 will be also.
LaGG
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D2 was still alot better than the original as far a hacks go. unless these hacks were more prevalent in the last 2 years.

duping was pretty bad though.

I'm used to just playing with the same people most of the time, so I'm not worried about people cheating, but I do hope they can stop cheats from being used.
Wootah
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the most fun I had with D2 was definitely on the Lan. No jerks, no cheating, just having fun with friends. Plus we could mule all our items and leave them on characters and there was no character limit, being able to copy characters and store them somewhere. It was really awesome.
Jeff
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Lame Petition Against Diablo 3
LaGG
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i would have to agree that the game could use more gloom to it (as seen in some sample images where they reworked it a bit)

The D3 demonstration looks good until you compare it to what it could look like.

online petitions are still lame though.
BiVRiP
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Here's the petition if anyone is interested:
http://www.petitiononline.com/d3art/petition.html

I don't think there's anything wrong with the present colour palette in and of itself. If used properly, it'll add another dimension of contrast which quite frankly was lacking in both Diablo 1/2. I mean, there's only so much you can do when you limit yourself to shades of black/gray/brown.

Could the game look gloomier/darker? Sure. Many of the criticisms found in the petition can easily be resolved by altering, limiting or even removing some of the ambient lighting.

The outside environment complaint is just plain silly. What...is everything supposed to take place late in the evening under a shroud of fog while it's raining?

Don't get me wrong, it's nice to see people this passionate about the development process. But we're drawing too many conclusions based on too little information on a product that could easily change over the next year or so.
craig
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You've got to be a complete ***king moron to start an online petition about a game that's in development.

Does anyone remember thisD2 beta screenshot?

edit: bad tag



EDITED: 2008-07-02 05:05:50
ROBOKATZ
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I actually read through the petition, and, while I certainly wasn`t going to put my name on it, I was stunned with their comparison to Wow graphics and agree that it should not look like Wow.

Granted it`s been a while since I played wow, but looking at their example screen shots it took me a while to sort out that they were screen shots from D3 and not Wow. example. The big shoulders issue also bugs me, it bugged me in wow too because I think they look silly, and removing it from D3 would go a long way towards giving D3 a more distinctive character style.

I also agree that green and purple are no substitute for black. And no, I`m not emo or goth or whatever, thank you. It just makes it look like an episode of scooby doo instead of an `M` rated game.

All this said, I will buy it either way.
Eisenwolf
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The colour palette is fine. If you think green can`t fit in a horror environment take a look at Minas Morgul.
Eisenwolf
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I do hate huge shoulder guards though.
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Seeing a petition isn`t much of a surprise. The internet is being taken over by drooling inbred social retards with 6 fingers. Game communities aren`t what they used to be.
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Man they are rabid. If it's too colorful...turn down the brightness.
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well somehow i can understand the fear of it beeing to colorful. when i look at wow im sometimes thinking its from japan with all those overdone candyass coloring.

but right now d3 looks right. finally a dark, gory and mature blizzard game.
DetriusXii
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Anyone curious as to whether Azmodan and Belial will be enemies? I`m actually skeptical of this since they haven`t shown interest in humans previously and they didn`t align with the three Prime Evils like Andariel and like Duriel did.
jdLordHelmet
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I think it may go along the lines of what was rumored from a previous development version of D3, where heaven is fighting hell and you walk a path between the two. Reading the lore, not all of heaven likes Sanctuary, and some of the angels opposed it's creation and want it destroyed. I think the plot may be something like Sanctuary fighting to rid itself of the influence of both sides. The trailer says something about the end being a new beginning. Maybe an "Age of Mortals" ala the end of DragonLance where humanity will control its own fate. Which means you might be fighting angels as well as demons. That would be pretty sweet.
BiVRiP
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I think the inclusion of Azmodan & Belial is feasible. I'd be interested in a quest or side story involving Inarius. If you look at the how many NPCs there are in the first two games:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_non-player_characters_in_Diablo
and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Prime_Evils

...there's certainly a lot of story arcs that could be expanded. Of course, that's not even taking into consideration all the books that have been released.
Xhokhusmak
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July 4th, 2008 @ 11:30PM

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I am soooo anxious to PK nebu in HC mode.

Hell seems to be just another faction and not too evil when you look at it from the big picture. According to the leaders of Hell (Azmodan and Belial), Sanctuary was just collateral damage. Although they SHOULD be fighting back cause Hell got way successfully invaded twice already. =(

That`d be cool if those two were to become quest giving npcs (Like Tyrael in D2 Act 4) giving you tasks you assist them in Heaven. Awesomeness.
Mathias
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After watching the movie and seeing the screen shots, I did not think the game looked too bright. But now that it has been brought to my attention I think I may be starting to agree (although it is too early to tell really)...

Diablo 1 was awesome in the look and feel it hard. It was very dark, dirty and evil. The perfect game for playing late at the night. The music was key in creating that effect.

Diablo 2 had terrible ambiance. Playing that game is like playing a Saturday morning cartoon. The game play was good, but the feeling of the game was a disaster. The only level they got right was the palace cellar.

I am hoping Diablo 3 goes back to it`s roots. But my guess is that it will be more like Diablo 2 than 1. An awesome game, but lacking that key ambiance.
WatchingThursday
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July 5th, 2008 @ 6:38PM

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Well looks like between SC II and this game my poor fingers will truly suffer.

Like Mathias said, I hope they put emphasis on that dark and evil mood that seemed to be done so well in the original. Diablo II was a great game but it really did drift from that appeal.

"I do hate huge shoulder guards though."

So true. Makes the characters look kinda like gorillas.
Darren
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July 7th, 2008 @ 4:30PM

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I agree, the HC host hack was total BS. More BS was the fact that Blizz ignored the repeated requests to ban these people from the game for use of the hack.

Oh the once a year thing was interesting, but it did little to nothing for the people affected by it. I know there were PK hackers that would go for stretches of months before they finally left the game or whatever happened to them.

Nothing beat legit kills though. Join a game, hit host, and those that stuck around you find and kill. I always had a high level enchantress though to combat these people when I was on the leveling end because I would go all the way through with the toon for the best XP. Level X joins, hits host, finds me, I turn around with my toon and blast em with exploding arrows and collect an ear. Nasty surprise.

If Blizz keeps features like this in the game I will be a very happy camper. If they let rampant hacking go down on HC mode, I will be saddened for another 5-6 years.
LaGG
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July 7th, 2008 @ 7:15PM

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http://www.diii.net/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=845

this is a sample image of what i'm referring to when i said "The D3 demonstration looks good until you compare it to what it could look like."

You watch the demonstration and think" sweet! diablo 3! in 3D! woo!" then you look at the above image and start to think "oh... wait, why isn't this darker in here?"

as far as the outside area's, if anybody's complaining about that, they've probably never been outside in nature. It would just look comical if the outside environments looked like a dungeon, and whoever put that rainbow in needs to be forced to play diablo 1 and 2 until he understands that rainbows are not colorful, they're gay.

here's some more:
http://www.diii.net/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=763
http://www.diii.net/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=759
http://www.diii.net/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=757

I dunno, maby the outside should be darker?
http://www.diii.net/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=756

and here's the rainbow:
http://www.diii.net/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=762

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what316
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I don`t see why it is supposed to be so dark in the first place. D1 and D2 were made before bright graphics could be pulled off and good looking. I assume if any areas are bright and sunny there will be good reason, and the dark and emo areas won`t be far off to travel to. Where does it say rainbows can`t exist in the Diablo world? Are we denying science in favor of a fantasy? I raise an eyebrow to that.
LaGG
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http://www.iwatchstuff.com/2007/04/strawberry_shortcake_and_care.php

You're right, this would look awesome all over Diablo 3.

Rainbows! and BALLOONS!

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Xhokhusmak
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July 8th, 2008 @ 10:16PM

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How`s Diablo 2 sales going lately Blizzard? 1-2 million copies within the past month? Great!

And as far as the darkness goes... I absolutely hated the Ruins of Ascalon. It`s so boring having to play ~10 missions in a dark place like that.


I like colorful color. F**k you. You don`t like it? I`ll PK you in HC.
BiVRiP
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July 8th, 2008 @ 10:20PM

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There's nothing wrong with the rainbow. Do you really expect that it's going to permeate every outdoor environment? Seriously, you'll see it for what, a few frames and then the scenery will change. I bet most people wouldn't have even noticed if it wasn't captured as a static shot.

I'll stick with my earlier assessment and reiterate that all that needs to be done to appease most of the die hard Diablo fans is to alter or limit the ambient lighting.
netsavior
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July 9th, 2008 @ 10:38AM

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I like dark stories and spooky areas as much as the next guy, but Diablo1+2 required me to bust gamma to the max and turn brightness on my monitor up. As cool as dark is, I will take PLAYABLE over dark any day... Doom 3 comes to mind.

Plus OMG Pwnies and rainbows and health orbs oh my.
TheSilver_Ghost
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July 9th, 2008 @ 4:11PM

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Man I can't even look at f'ing diablo 3 info on the internet anymore because of people like you, LaGG. I can't read a single bit of info, because every site seems to now have a comment section and I always end up glacing at the first post, I can't help it, and it always contains some acute amount of idiotic retardation and whining. I'm so sick and tired of the *whining*.

Is there a spot on the internet where I can read about Diablo III without having to suffer through these "people"?
LaGG
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Xhokhusmak: "I like colorful color. F**k you. You don`t like it? I`ll PK you in HC."

I'm a pansy SC player, sorry.

BiVRiP: "Do you really expect that it's going to permeate every outdoor environment?"

No... Sarcasm.

TheSilver_Ghost: "I'm so sick and tired of the *whining*."

Stop whining about my opinions.

in conclusion: rainbows are still gay, and I'd rather not see one in Diablo 3.
what316
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July 10th, 2008 @ 10:35AM

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Then don`t buy the game, LaGG.
Eisenwolf
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July 10th, 2008 @ 2:48PM

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That`s a nonargument, what316.
LaGG
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July 10th, 2008 @ 7:56PM

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"Then don`t buy the game, LaGG." - what316.

Are you crazy? It's Diablo 3. I'd buy it even if it DID have rainbows and balloons in every second of gameplay, and your ultimate goal was to click a stupid gem 600,000 times until diablo exploded.

DIABLO 3!! WOO!

anyway, I hope you guys realize that a stupid rainbow isn't going to stop me or anyone who doesn't want to see a rainbow in D3 from actually buying and playing the game. it's just going to be one of those things that annoys me every time i see it.

also, the brightness in general is most likely a non-issue because, like D1, D2, and most games today, there will probably be a gamma correction option in the video settings.
craig
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September 6th, 2009 @ 5:05PM

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Can't fucking wait for this game.
Jeff
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September 6th, 2009 @ 6:44PM

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Agreed. But meanwhile, where's my SC2 beta?
mad_dog1
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the wait is becoming unbearable...


beside. is it just me or does it get annyoing after a while that the screen is shaking all the time?
craig
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If you think the waiting is unbearable now, then just think that you've very likely got ~2 years (or more!) of waiting.
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thanks for the comforting words craig.
jdLordHelmet
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Looks so awesome. I'm so jealous of you right now.
Akebono
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Yeah now that I have a kid, this is the type of game I can play. Play a bit, log off, play a bit more. Raiding for hours on end or leaving in the middle of an SC2 game doesn`t work well. But leaving in the middle of a dungeon and dying isn`t so bad.
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If I can tweak Whirlwind to do awesome things I`m going Barbarian. If not Wizard looks to have the best skills. Hotdamn I really want make it into the beta.
Blazer
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Looks great! I'm psyched for the rune system.
RowdyRoddyPiper
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May 25th, 2011 @ 6:25PM

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oh man i was gonna play the barb as my first char in diablo 3 so it really feels like a continuation of diablo 2 on my first playthrough and try other classes after that but now i know for 100% sure im gonna play a barb the first time! love that runestone system and diff colored whirlwinds! Everything about diablo 3 is fresh and good. Im already wondering about the expansion im sure blizz will make. will we see any old classes brought back? the pally especially
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May 25th, 2011 @ 7:09PM

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For me it's either going to be Barbarian or Witch Doctor. Here's hoping for a Christmas release!
DarkShear
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May 25th, 2011 @ 7:38PM

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Christmas 2011 doesn't seem that unrealistic of a release date for this game right?
Trickshot
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Screw the release date let`s hope we all make beta.
Wootah
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Yeah I am getting the mysql fetch error as well.
I also agree with trickshot ;)

The runes look amazing. I hope they add enough diversity that people don't all have similar builds.

I hear PvP at blizzcon was amazing fun but will probably harder to balance than WoW. Randomly Generated group quests will go a LONG way to keep me playing this game longer than Diablo 2. Especially at higher modes.

I also like the additional customization of the 'mercs' but it sounds like they will not really matter in multiplayer leveling or harder zones. The fact that you don't actually have to pay to revive them constantly is great, although it sounds borrowed from Torchlight 2.

Unfortunately, I am willing to bet that this will be just like SC2 and require constant connection for even single player, which makes me sad. Hopefully I have a good internet connection here soon.
TheSilver_Ghost
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August 1st, 2011 @ 10:57AM

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Can't even begin to describe how disappointed I am now.
Nalcolm
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Can't even begin to describe how disappointed I am now.

Did I miss something? The game looks awesome.
Gamelore
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August 1st, 2011 @ 11:59AM

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Geez, from being on top of my BUY list to being on top of my AVOID list. There are 2 reasons I put games on that list, and it just met the criteria for both.

Ah well, years of clones to (inadequately) fill the void.
BiVRiP
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August 1st, 2011 @ 12:00PM

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Maybe TSG is referring to the real money component of the auction house?

Articles from Kotaku:
Hands On with the Diablo III Beta
Diablo III Mods Are Forbidden, Banned, Not Allowed
Blizzard Will Let You Sell Your Diablo III Loot For Real Money

In any event, here's hoping for a beta invite!

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Disastrous Fate
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I`m not as angry about the changes as other people, but I do admit they suck. Why can`t Blizz offer a completely separate single player mode?
Wootah
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I still dislike the constant connection, but will have good internet here soon so I guess I cannot complain.

The real auction for money thing intrigues me. By getting free listings per week, you can get money into your Bnet account from items and never have to sink your own money into things. I don't plan on ever spending extra money to play. I figure the system will be fairly saturated as people spend more time farming than they used to.
RowdyRoddyPiper
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I think the real cash for items things is a great idea for one. i mean look, we play these games they become a great time killer and a joy to play so who cares if you spend real cash for items, Just imagine if your hobby is going to a park and walking around guess what you are probably going to buy new walking shoes just for that or special cloths to walk, headbands, 1980`s style cassete walkmans (hehe) so if our hobby is a video game then hell yeah let us spend real cash to get items. I think it encourages blizzard to keep making fun and unique items to the game. Items that do crazy stuff For example the trinkets in wow, some of them do awesome things. anyways i work hard at my job and dont mind spending money on the games that keep me entertained. I would prefer blizz just open a virtual item shop in the game so we can buy stuff from blizz...sort of like how mafia wars is. The only thing i dont like about D3 news is that you have to always have an internet connection to play it......that can cause problems. Anyways Nebu if you can help out with a beta invite please do ^_^
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Nebuchadnezzar
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August 1st, 2011 @ 4:18PM

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Did Diablo II have mods? I never remember any. If I can't remember any, I think we can live without them. Since when have MOds ever added to a game. I can think of a few times: Counter Strike, Team Fortress (never played it), DOTA (played it 1 time) and the Oblivion or related series where they work well. You could say Diablo I had MODs and look at how that turned out. hah.

Selling Items: The only way that ever affects you is if you're in a group and some idiot won't give you an item for your class cuz he wants to sell it for real $. But you can choose who you play with. I remember for Diablo II people were selling items for $300 each, nuts.

The difference with the selling of items is it's not items sold by Blizzard, it's just people selling items to each other (players selling to players). It's kinda lame when the game maker generates the items, then sells them to you. That's not what is going on here.

"I still dislike the constant connection"
The benefit is to deter piracy. Look at how many people pirate to play single/open games or games on private servers. The 2nd benefit is to have your character stored for ONCE on the official servers so you'll quit losing your character when you have computer problems or change computers. You coulda had that for Diablo II if the characters didn't expire. It sure sucks losing all those Diablo II chars I had due to expiring but I probably wouldn't have played them again anyway (but hey it's nice to know they still exist).

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Blazer
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D2 absolutely had mods. My buddy was modding the game constantly by adding items that had inside jokes for each of our personalities.

At first the lack of skill point allocation bothered me but I've really opened up to the idea. As a gamer who enjoys variety I like the notion that we can interchange our skills at will during the playthrough of a given class. My biggest concern is the lack of choice we have once we advance past level 30 since there's no skillpoint or attribute point allocation. It's all just a static increase of power.

Still...can't wait for the beta on this one! I had the most unproductive day at work today as I obsessed over the forums. There's also a rumor of a 4th difficulty level which recently surfaced on the blizz website.

EDITED: 2011-08-01 16:36:16
Frimzy
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I looked at the feature list and I am extremely concerned that there are no private games on Battle.net 0.2. Does this mean the end of MF runs with your friends and doing bosses with your friends? Everything is public now?
DeuceOfSpades
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Count me as one of the people who are disappointed at selling items for real cash being officially supported by Blizzard. How badly the economy is going to get wrecked by gold farmers is anyone's guess.
SilverDeth
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This kinda makes me sad GF, I have been soooooo looking forward to D3 for... well... a decade. I still have my level 99 necromancer on US east, I keep it refreshed every month, even though my satellite internet connection won't let me actually play anymore. The latency is pretty aweful for me, thankfully, I was able make copies of all my US East toons for offline play, so I can still get some mindless monster squishing.

Choppy internet is sadly my problem. I spend enough time away from a good internet connection, online play is not a practical option. I still play all the blizz title single player and LAN - starcraft/diablo/diablo 2/warcraft 3 with my workers up here in Havre Montana while we are on-site. Online play is just horrible with my connection however.

:/

I am a hardcore blizz fanboy, it is really a bummer I won't be able to play Diablo 3. I understand the stuff to battle the item stores, and the little bastards with their forum gold (god I hated those kiddies). Of course, attempts to combat piracy I can understand GF, as a conservative, I think you do deserve to get paid for your work. I wish we didn't all have to be punished because of thieves, but I can at least understand you position.

I just really wish there was an offline play mode for those like me who have really bad internet, Your games are so enjoyable that even by yourself or with a small LAN group they are a blast. I was sad about missing out on WoW too, but as an MMO constant connection comes with the territory. After all, I had diablo 3 to look forward too!

Sigh. Really gets me down :(

Thanks for the many years of great games guys, I will still play the old ones. I still think you guys do some of the best work in the industry.



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Nebuchadnezzar
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Bad Internet: I wonder how many people that applies to in today's age. Even in strange countries people can get fast internet. When the internet goes out on my computer, it's virtually unusable except for whatever TV/Movies I have on my computer. I'd prefer for there to be offline options but offline is where everyone hacks up their games. Now I have NOTHING TO DO WITH ANYTHING WHATSOEVER, just commenting based on being a player interested in
the game.
Macavity
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There is this strange idea that Blizzard has only put out godly products and has only, recently, gone downhill. From my recollection...

-Warcraft 2`s Expansion was a miss.

-Starcraft was disappointing until Brood War.

-Warcraft 3 was disappointing until Frozen Throne.

I`m currently disappointed with Starcraft 2 because the game is so fast. It`s not a relaxing game you play after dinner or tired from work. Your APM has to remain high in order to remain good which means ladder play revolves more around younger kids and those who don`t work.

I had never really got into Diablo, but I`m hoping Diablo 3 gives me that `have fun with friends` type vibe we got on Kali with various Blizzard games.

I look forward to trying out Diablo 3 beta with the rest of you guys (should we be lucky enough to get in).
SilverDeth
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August 1st, 2011 @ 9:08PM

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Aye I know GF, no malice here sir. I spend most of my time on-site in some pretty remote locations drilling. The thing that keeps us sane is playing games on our laptops. Tons of old blizz titles, serious sam, ect. These were the games we all loved in the old days.
SilverDeth
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I loved the war 2 expansion pack =p - now if I could find a way to get it to work on a new PC... we had some real fin with the old warcraft 2 games... those samwise drawings on the loading screens were in my mind some of the best art that came out of blizzard - those were some really elegant line art. We'd make these massive maps and play 2 or 3 of us against a huge mass of computers on custom maps where we'd rig with near unlimited gold mines and oil patches near the computer's start locations, and very limited resources near our own, and we'd have 8 or 9 hour games trying to survive the computers. College was good times.

God this is bringing back some good memories of the old days.

from my knowledge, when blizz hit a title that was not up to their quality, they canned it. See lord of the clans and ghost. That takes some brass knockers to do that given the development costs associated. I have never seen anything I'd call a "miss" purely in terms of quality.

Now some things that they have done as a company has irked me over the years, (more so lately) but I can't ever recall a game from blizzard that I'd call "crap." Especially when you look at the era in which the game was released.

That says something right there. I am pretty critical of my games, and every developer I like, from square to capcom, has turned out some real shit from time to time.

I cannot think of a game that blizzard has made that even remotely approached "suck." I may not have liked the game - for example the lost vikings - but that' because I don't like puzzle games - but despite hating the genre there is no way I could say with a strait face that the game "sucked."

I think this is why people get as upset as they do over things like this. The reputation for quality and anticipation is so high that it magnifies one's emotions when something goes wrong - from the perspective of the angry person of course.

I am pretty sure that dealing with hackers, e-ragers, trolls, and scum over the decades also jades the developers. the only people you ever really hear from are the pissed off ones. After a decade or two of that... well...

So, instead of a complaint, thanks for all the fun over the years. I appreciate all that I have gotten, and I can probably be happy with that. And hey, if I am lucky, maybe there will be some more diablo 2 content added in to promote the release of the new game.

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Disastrous Fate
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"There is this strange idea that Blizzard has only put out godly products and has only, recently, gone downhill. From my recollection...

-Warcraft 2`s Expansion was a miss.

-Starcraft was disappointing until Brood War.

-Warcraft 3 was disappointing until Frozen Throne.

I`m currently disappointed with Starcraft 2 "

This is all your opinion. I love all of the above. I especially like the idea that Starcraft was disappointing until Brood War. Uh.. what? I remember a few reviews criticizing Starcraft as being too conservative, but I think they largely resulted from the fast paced nature of reviewing games. Starcraft is definitely a game that unveiled itself gradually. The SP is top notch, the multiplayer is great, but the editor allowed for it to truly become one of the greatest games of all time. This is all generally true of Warcraft 3 and SC2 as well, even if I did think the story of SC2 totally blew chunks.

The closest I come to agreeing with you is the War2 expansion. Those missions were not well designed, and they were ridiculously hard with only a few real options. There was also very little new content, as it was largely a mission pack. Only strong heroes, AFAIK, were really introduced. (War2 had heroes, but War2Exp`s heroes were significantly stronger than normal units). Still, I like the game generally, and I have a hard time saying it was as bad as you say.

Disastrous Fate
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"Count me as one of the people who are disappointed at selling items for real cash being officially supported by Blizzard. How badly the economy is going to get wrecked by gold farmers is anyone`s guess."

Have you played Diablo 2 lately? Even without Blizzard`s sanction, gold farmers and item sellers are RAMPANT. Their bots basically ruin multiplayer. Boot it up and play online for a few minutes. Tell me what you think of an official auction house afterwards.
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"Did Diablo II have mods? I never remember any. If I can`t remember any, I think we can live without them. Since when have MOds ever added to a game. I can think of a few times: Counter Strike, Team Fortress (never played it), DOTA (played it 1 time) and the Oblivion or related series where they work well. You could say Diablo I had MODs and look at how that turned out. hah."

Diablo 2 had mods, but Blizzard didn`t really support this that much. From what I gather, it wasn`t terribly easy until some of the later patches. Diablo 1 actually still has a decent mod community. You should check out Diablo "The Hell": http://www.diablowiki.com/Diablo:_The_Hell Basically, it adds Hellfire, retools a bunch of stuff, makes it so the 6 POSSIBLE classes as of Hellfire are actually usable and distinct, etc.

Still, I think it`s funny how you say that mods don`t add a lot. Hello? Starcraft 1 and 2? Warcraft 3?

Regardless, I don`t think lack of mods, constant internet, or AH are deal breakers for me. The only one I`m really irked by is the second, but mostly because of how it effects OTHER PEOPLE. Also, if we had access to SP, then mods would probably be doable as well...
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As a sidenote, I recently read through the Diablo, Diablo 2, and D2EXP manuals. God damn, there was quite the drop in quality there!

Diablo 1`s manual is awesome. The art work is great, and there is lots of it. The monster descriptions are intense. Some of them are really in depth and give you a sense of the world. There is one, in particular, which is amazing and disturbing at the same time. The story is also in depth, with around 20 pages of just background material.

D2, by comparison, has like 3-4 pages of story. The monster descriptions are pretty shallow, "This is a giant poisonous spider. It was made bigger and more dangerous by the bad guys." There is almost no artwork, and the artwork that is there is generally pretty underwhelming. This all holds true for D2EXp.

Night and day difference.

The weird thing is that I seem to remember Warcraft 3 actually have a really in depth manual as well. I don`t know how this stuff happens, but D1 just has an awesome manual.

It`s sad that manuals are going the way of the dodo. I mean, criminy, SC2`s is basically a pamphlet on installation.
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D2, by comparison, has like 3-4 pages of story. The monster descriptions are pretty shallow, "This is a giant poisonous spider. It was made bigger and more dangerous by the bad guys." There is almost no artwork, and the artwork that is there is generally pretty underwhelming. This all holds true for D2EXp.


Most game manuals nowadays are completely lacking, that is if we're lucky to even receive them. Nowadays I believe this is so they can save the best stuff for collection editions...the lore books, art panels, etc. We end up with a bare bones manual that briefly educates on how to play the game.

Anybody tuning into the investors conference call tomorrow at 1:30 PST? I'll be listening, hopeing we finally get a definitive date for the beta.
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"Most game manuals nowadays are completely lacking, that is if we`re lucky to even receive them."

Yeah, but it`s just so sad. It really was a trip reading the Diablo 1 manual again after so long. I was very impressed.
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The Diablo and Warcraft 2 manuals made for the best toilet reading in the history of mankind.

I realized Blizzard was going a bit downhill when I found Starcraft 2 unplayable due the company catering to the teenage Korean crowd, making it an extreme sport of APM and build orders rather than a contemplative RTS.

Diablo 3 is still going to own, but if the Blizzard of 10 years ago made it, it would be way better.
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"The Diablo and Warcraft 2 manuals made for the best toilet reading in the history of mankind."

Yeah. I also remember liking Warcraft 3`s manual, although I haven`t checked it out lately. Starcraft 1 also had a real fun manual. I really enjoyed the different species` backstories.

"I realized Blizzard was going a bit downhill when I found Starcraft 2 unplayable..."
Really? I love Starcraft 2. I played somewhat hardcore for a bit there during the beta and got super into it. I didn`t find the APM stuff too difficult to handle. Still, after I quit playing "for realz," I`ve continued to play the custom maps (some of which are just awesome). The SP is already really, really good, even if the story pales in comparison with SC1.
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I remember the warcraft I manual. It had orcs on one side and humans on the flip side in reverse and was wrapped in some paper cover that was textured to make it feel like it was ancient. Now there was a good manual. Blizzard never half-assed anything IMO....something that is rare these days.
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I'm annoyed about the only online thing. My internet is pretty good, but sometimes it goes down constanlty for maybe 30-60 seconds which would kick me out of whatever online stuff I was doing. And in the future when Diablo 3 isn't played as much and they take down the servers that would mean no more Diablo 3 to be played (unless they would remove the online only before they yanked the servers) but I can still play Diablo 1 and 2 as much as I wanted.
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"I remember the warcraft I manual. It had orcs on one side and humans on the flip side in reverse and was wrapped in some paper cover that was textured to make it feel like it was ancient. Now there was a good manual. Blizzard never half-assed anything IMO....something that is rare these days."

I wish I knew where my Warcraft 1 manual was. I still have the game, but the manual is lost. Diablo 1`s manual AND game are lost, sadly. I also lost my original copy of Warcraft 2, although I still have the Expansion somewhere. I also bought the b.net edition like day one, and I still have that.

Everything else is safe, however. I never let Starcraft outta my sight.
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I am cool with the changes. I don't particularly like the online only trend, but I can't fault them for making that choice as a business. I don't like it when games go the money for items route, but they do make a good point that it is going to happen anyway so they might as well put the scammers out of business. I am mostly just excited we are getting closer to launch, I can't wait to play.
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dohdoh, i am sure that blizzard will set SC2 and Diablo 3 free of online only restrictions many years from now. I was quite surprised when Warcraft 3 CD requirement was removed. Sure the game wont be popular then, but if it is a good game, it will be fun to play on lan with friends, like D2 is now.
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dohdoh, i am sure that blizzard will set SC2 and Diablo 3 free of online only restrictions many years from now. I was quite surprised when Warcraft 3 CD requirement was removed. Sure the game wont be popular then, but if it is a good game, it will be fun to play on lan with friends, like D2 is now.

You make a good point Wootah. I remember when Blizzard patched Diablo 2 to remove the need to have the CD in the drive and all you needed to do was copy over the MPQ files. And thank Jebus they did that. I played *a lot* of D2 back in the day and I'm surprised you can even read from the game disc, it's that used.

Blizzard's move to offer digital downloads is another big win in my book. I just wish they'd invest some people, time and money to offer the classics in an updated digital format compatible with Windows 7. I would gladly shell out upwards of $100 for a classic Battle Chest collection.
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Nobody used mods, nebu? No, YOU didn't use mods. There were plenty awesome mods for Diablo II, such as the one made by Laz. It's almost a total game conversion, and a lot of stuff in Diablo III was first in that mod. And many others, including scorched earth and more.

You don't care about online only because you have good internet and think, somehow (HOW?) that everyone is able to get it. They're not. I live in rural Wisconsin and I am forced to spend $70 a month for a 100kbs line (and it usually doesn't even hit that). It was my only choice. Other countries often charge by bandwidth, not incremental time. Some charge solely in cybercafes, often by the minute. Online only. It's bullshit.

And the RMT auction house? Get out, dude, seriously. It's Blizzard saying "Why do anything about this when we can make a snotload of money from it? Who cares about the game's economy?". You cannot actually believe that it will have no effect on the economy. Or that it'll be "more of the same" because Blizzard lacks the sack to do anything about these problems.
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No info from the conference call regarding the beta. Latest projection is end of Q3. I have no idea how this company can get away with being this close to a release and not having a definitive release date.

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And the RMT auction house? Get out, dude, seriously. It's Blizzard saying "Why do anything about this when we can make a snotload of money from it? Who cares about the game's economy?". You cannot actually believe that it will have no effect on the economy. Or that it'll be "more of the same" because Blizzard lacks the sack to do anything about these problems.

Name one game that has successfully prevented real-money trading of virtual items. It can't be done. If players can trade items, then players will trade items for money, it is that simple. They might as well implement a fair and safe place to police the market which WILL exist anyway, at the same time killing any chance of the IGE types from springing up (hopefully). Those companies make BILLIONS off of Blizzard's products, and since it can't be stopped, I am all for Blizzard, or any other company, taking a cut. I said this 10 years ago in EQ.
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I neither agree with this sentiment whether it's marijuana or RMT. Legitimizing it within the rules/laws because "fighting entropy is hard" sets a bad example.
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"I neither agree with this sentiment whether it`s marijuana or RMT"

What`s so wrong with marijuana? McDonalds and soda pop do more harm to you....

"And the RMT auction house? Get out, dude, seriously. It`s Blizzard saying "Why do anything about this when we can make a snotload of money from it? Who cares about the game`s economy?". You cannot actually believe that it will have no effect on the economy. Or that it`ll be "more of the same" because Blizzard lacks the sack to do anything about these problems." - I think it`s harder than you realize to fight unofficial auctioning.
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Not hard, Gamelore. IMPOSSIBLE. CAN NOT BE DONE.

Let me address some other crap I am reading in this thread.

"Diablo 3 is still going to own, but if the Blizzard of 10 years ago made it, it would be way better."

We are not living in the times of 10 years ago. Realities have changed, even though some of our preferences haven't.

Online only: If all game data is available on the local machine (by having an offline SP option), people would pirate the game on the order of tens of millions of times within 24 hours of release, if not earlier. By storing vital game data and characters online, such as with an MMO, piracy will be virtually eliminated. Yes, this sucks for a very, very small percentage of users who have high-end gaming machines but bad internet connections, or who need to play the game while mobile yet refuse to invest in cellular data plans. It was still the right decision to make, and I am surprised it took this long to happen.

I have been saying for years that eventually all games will require internet connections to play, as it is the only way to fight piracy. Not just authenticators like Steam, but actual game data streaming from a server in order to play the game. Cracking the game at that point requires emulating the server, which is much more difficult than patching a client. And the end result usually sucks, as with "free servers" for, ahem, certain ridiculously popular MMOs that yet seem to have very small numbers of bootleggers.

Mods: Diablo 2 had mods. It did NOT have Official mods. They were unauthorized hacks. They were fun as hell, but vastly changed the gaming experience. Mods ruined WoW in my opinion, as all of the ways they made the game "easier" were countered by Blizzard adjusting the curve on certain aspects of the game in kind. The Elder Scrolls games are single player sandboxes, which are the ultimate place for mods. Multiplayer games with virtual economies should not have mods beyond superficial graphical skins, so I applaud this decision.

Virtual Items: Already discussed in post above. You can't stop it, and I am glad to see this happen. Gold sellers and spammers will definitely be less present, if not gone entirely. There is not enough economic incentive. Before it was ensured by a ridiculous profit margin and no risk, as it was literally impossible to stop.

If I have one complaint, it is a small one: gold used as a trading currency. Maybe it's my nostalgia for trading and haggling items, but having a currency like gold that will purchase items means any item in the game can be obtained by repetitive menial farming. At least before it was boss runs, looking for big items to trade. Now you will measure success in "gold per hour," and it won't matter where you do your MF runs, as long as you are efficiently making gold. I hate seeing and making this comparison, but in this case it will be more like the WoW economy, and less like Diablo.

Any other rant topics I missed? This sudden furor has me pissed, not at Blizzard, but at all these haters that were somehow expecting them to follow a 12-year old game model.

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I actually agree with an entire post by jdLordHelmet.

It's good to see that at the end of the day we all come together on the medium of video games

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Even RRP makes sense in this thread....
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It's a lot easier to manage than the drug war, and I support that.

For starters, they have full access to logs for data mining. That right there makes it trivial to flag all the characters/accounts prone to selling and buying. Ban all the buyers and sellers and they have to spend $30-50 for another copy. Set up a killer duplicate/fraudulent-account detection and you just added another layer of pain.

Since they're already limiting copies of the game to specific regions (and prices), that makes it prohibitively hard for Chinese farmers to purchase US copies after they get banned. All that's left is first-world companies which Blizzard can arguably go after for breaking the EULA.
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How can you differentiate a real-life buyer from an in-game trader? From the game data, it looks the same. All transactions take place on the seller's servers. All they can see is a trade taking place. Unless you are talking about selling duped or hacked items, which is traceable but is a whole separate issue.
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Look at the frequency of one-sided trades. Look at time spent farming. Look at the number of trades. Analyze the use, content and frequency of private messages. Look at their personal information used to create an account. That's just for singletons. Look at the signals of this occurring in a ring.

You won't see a pattern until a number of trades have happened, but there are enough variables that correlate to fraud before the $50 overhead from getting banned kicks in.

Credit card companies have been using machine learning for this sort of thing for years.
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@jd, I mostly agree with you, and I think Gamelore vastly underestimates this task. After all, how many false positives do you think would be acceptable?

Regardless, I have a few major points of contention:
"If all game data is available on the local machine (by having an offline SP option), people would pirate the game on the order of tens of millions of times within 24 hours of release, if not earlier. By storing vital game data and characters online, such as with an MMO, piracy will be virtually eliminated. Yes, this sucks for a very, very small percentage of users who have high-end gaming machines but bad internet connections, or who need to play the game while mobile yet refuse to invest in cellular data plans. It was still the right decision to make, and I am surprised it took this long to happen."

1. Piracy does not have the straightforward impact on sales that you`re implying.
2. Online only does not stop piracy. http://news.softpedia.com/news/Report-Starcraft-2-Pirated-More-than-2-3-Million-Times-167041.shtml - In fact, Starcraft 2 (despite constant online) was one of the most heavily pirated games of the year. It was also one of the highest selling games of the year. That`s not a rare correlation (more popularity leads both to more sales and more piracy).
3. Single player is not a minor loss. To some people, many of those above, it means they literally can`t play Diablo 3. For others, it means loss of the mods (again, mods you flippantly dismiss), which could easily be used for a SP game while not used for a MP game (a la Diablo 1 and Diablo 2 mods). Even for people like me, I`ll have to remember that Diablo 3, like Starcraft 2, simply ain`t an option if the internet goes down.
I admit that I`m not terribly upset by this, but I understand why some people are.
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to those who responded to me above:

Does anyone remember what Warcraft 2`s Expansion added? It added a new swamp tile, some new multiplayer maps (most of which sucked) and that was it for the multiplayer. For the single player, it had two new campaigns and added hero units. If you played Warcraft 2 multiplayer, the expansion didn`t really add anything.

When Starcraft came out, it was bashed by many review sites for it not being 3d. Starcraft came out during the RTS `boom`. There was Age of Empires, Total Annihilation, Dark Reign, and various other RTS games out then. If you look at Starcraft 1.0, you can see how wildly unbalanced the game was. Starcraft really became good only after the expansion and many patches.

I didn`t like Warcraft 3 until after Frozen Throne (when the game became far more balanced).

Blizzard was never this celestial company only putting out great software. That`s nostalgia talking. Some of Blizzard`s releases weren`t that well received until later.

The only times I remember universal excitement for a Blizzard release is when Warcraft 2 came out and when World of Warcraft came out. Every other Blizzard product has a more `mixed` response.

Anyway, I think it is best to do a `wait and see` on Diablo III before declaring Blizzard to be `gone`. When Starcraft came out, I thought Blizzard was on a decline. Compared to Warcraft 2, Starcraft didn`t have the same type of spawning, didn`t have redbook audio, etc. With Warcraft 3, I thought there was a decline since there was NO spawning, had this weird hero system, music was very disappointing compared to Warcraft 2, etc.

I do miss the Warcraft 2 manuals though. Loved the artwork.
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The only thing that concerns me about the RMT auction house is that no one's going to want to help anyone out anymore.

Why would a friend save a good item for you if he can sell it for a few bucks? What is stopping the guy you're randomly grouping with from ninja'ing the badass legendary bow that dropped, even though he's a barbarian and you're a demon hunter, when he can sell it for $20?

Hopefully Blizzard was able to figure this stuff out in advance and there's some means to prevent a breakdown in the community, but I'm still skeptical.
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I don't think there will be much of a market for real money items unless they are really good items. Those mid-rarity types of items that you would give a friend probably won't sell for a lot online, because who would spend real money on something that isn't that great? I guess we really don't know how the economy will work out. It is going to be interesting to see how it fluctuates with the liquidity between items, gold, and real money. Say you find a super rare item, before you sell it you have to look at its gold market value, its dollar market value, and then look at the cost of gold on the real money market to determine the best course of action. It's going to be more complicated than the wow AH ever was. Of course, I bet this ends up in wow too.
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"Does anyone remember what Warcraft 2`s Expansion added? It added a new swamp tile, some new multiplayer maps (most of which sucked) and that was it for the multiplayer. For the single player, it had two new campaigns and added hero units. If you played Warcraft 2 multiplayer, the expansion didn`t really add anything.
"

The single player campaign was -okay-, but, yeah, I generally agree here. It was good for a die hard fan, but War2EXP is probably their most underwhelming release.

"When Starcraft came out, it was bashed by many review sites for it not being 3d. Starcraft came out during the RTS `boom`. There was Age of Empires, Total Annihilation, Dark Reign, and various other RTS games out then. If you look at Starcraft 1.0, you can see how wildly unbalanced the game was. Starcraft really became good only after the expansion and many patches."
Here, I think you`re exaggerating. Yeah, a few (morons) criticized it for not being in 3D, and it didn`t get quite the level of review that`d you expect (93 on GameRankings but only 88 on Metacritic), but it also won a number of GOTY and SGOTY awards.
I also think you`re missing how good the single player was, how good the basic game was, and how good the campaign editor was. I was more addicted to Starcraft than I ever was to Warcraft 2, despite playing War2 earlier (and intensely). Sure, Brood War was a -fantastic- expansion pack, but the game was already a classic even before it.

"I didn`t like Warcraft 3 until after Frozen Throne (when the game became far more balanced)."
Again. Opinions. People have them. However, yours just aren`t very.. widely accepted opinions. War3 has a metacritic of 92 and a GameRankings of 93. It also won PC Game of the Year from 6 major places, including GameSpot. Again, I played the crap out of it, although it took me a little longer before I really fell in love with the multiplayer. Balance wasn`t the issue. I just wasn`t prepared for the radical shift in game-type from Starcraft.

"The only times I remember universal excitement for a Blizzard release is when Warcraft 2 came out and when World of Warcraft came out. Every other Blizzard product has a more `mixed` response."
Umm, how about Diablo 1? Again, multiple GOTY winner, and it STILL has GameSpot`s highest ever PC review score.
http://www.gamespot.com/reviews.html?platform=5&mode=all&sort=score&dlx_type=all&sortdir=asc&official=all

Diablo 2 was probably the least well received major Blizz release, but it still won a few GOTYs; it still has an 88 on metacritic and from GameRankings.

If Diablo 2 is Blizzard`s worse release, then they pretty much places Blizzard as the most consistently good video game developer out there. I mean, geez, even Nintendo has a few total stinkers.
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If Diablo 2 is Blizzard`s worse release, then they pretty much places Blizzard as the most consistently good video game developer out there. I mean, geez, even Nintendo has a few total stinkers.

Agreed. The only other developer I can think of that comes close to both Blizzard's critical and fan / market success is probably Valve although their product line isn't as diverse.

It's hard to argue against the simple fact that Blizzard has not only set but raised the bar for every genre it has tackled. Virtually any game of a similar vein will draw comparisons to something Blizzard has released. There's a lot to be said for the level of accessibility, quality, re-playability and overall longevity of almost every game they have released. You can't just chalk that up to nostalgia.
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Yeah, I guess Valve is worthy of a comparable spot. Maybe Bethesda? I woulda said Bioware, but DA2, despite being good, wasn`t great.
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War2 EXP was their first expansion EVER. It was pretty good for their first expansion. The missions were pretty challenging and I liked the new tileset. They had some cool new maps too.
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"War2 EXP was their first expansion EVER. It was pretty good for their first expansion. The missions were pretty challenging and I liked the new tileset. They had some cool new maps too."

Yeah, I think you really need to contextualize things. I mean, yeah, War2Exp certainly pales in comparison with Brood War, Frozen Throne, Lord of Destruction, etc. However, this was still 1996.

For their part, Gamespot still loved it and gave it a 9.2 It has a gameranking of 82% (compared with vanilla`s GR of 95%), but this is based on only 3 reviews. Gamerankings and Metacritic quickly become useless as you approach the mid-90`s (and, arguably, even the late 90`s).

I will say this though: although challenging, I was never really impressed with the design of the new missions. They were just hard (i.e. - you better move quickly) variants of "build base, build knights/ogres/dragons/griffons, destroy". I remember getting burnt out on the single-player for the Exp, despite being ber-excited before hand.
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We talk about these topics and lunch and

WoW has 11 million people with a constant internet connection. Isn't that enough people to draw from?
What can't you do in today's age without a constant internet connection.

"The only thing that concerns me about the RMT auction house is that no one's going to want to help anyone out anymore."

Who needs help at Diablo. You just play it and loot. Someone had a good point today, you're given a chance to MAKE MONEY AND PLAYING VIDEO GAMES. Why is that something to complain about.

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One can only wonder how the system will work. I am sure that years down the line that we will hear people making tons of money on the AH (or a single individual) like we have heard from other games.

If I can play enough to fund my other blizzard game purchases from the store, than I am happy. I plan on using my weekly posts. I made a TON of gold playing the AH on WoW and unlike many other people my goal was to play it as little as possible. Sure you could be on their 24/7 but I was quite happy with my results of just logging on 15 minutes in the morning and the evening to post stuff.
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I don't like the idea that they are not making everything in Diablo 3 soulbound. After a while, the economy is going to be flooded with good items for use at all levels and character development will get a little boring.
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Yeah I don't really see regular dudes making any significant money off the auction house. It's going to be high-volume Chinese-style gold farmers that rake in the cash.
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I also wonder about the economy. Diablo 2 had duping, which made the economy not even worth mentioning, but at least characters were deleted if not played for three months. Since I assume this won't be the case in D3, we can assume items won't be leaving the economy while more are pouring into it. Like Deuce says, isn't this going to lead to mudflation? Is the answer frequent expansions or updates to replace old gear? It would have to happen a lot.

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Yeah I don't really see regular dudes making any significant money off the auction house. It's going to be high-volume Chinese-style gold farmers that rake in the cash.

Which means nothing has changed. Except now Blizzard can monitor the big sellers and police them to determine if their sources are illegitimate. And since there shouldn't be a market for 3rd party sites, we shouldn't see spammers and bots. It's a win on every level, except for those who are butthurt over "principle."

The people most upset over this are probably the Chinese farmers and the sites that broker it, since this will drive prices down (every player is now a potential farmer, whereas before most people were not sellers, just buyers). There will be more buying, too, but I still think the economic incentive is lower for them than it would have been otherwise.

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I'm not sweating the principle of the RMT auction shit as much as the impact on comradery. I'm pretty much only going to play it with my buddies now, but there was probably a good chance of that anyway. I played Diablo 2 online with strangers when it came out, but I'm a bit older now and quite a bit less patient with random internet morons. The RMT shit is just going to give me that one final push over the edge into exclusively private games.
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Even back in the days of D2 I pretty much only joined private games with friends. In fact, even when none of my buddies were online I tended to play solo games online.

Between my small circle of friends and work buddies who are into D3, and the regular EN peeps showing interest in this thread, I think I'll have a very nice pool of reliable people to draw from.
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Thing is, even if you play with completely unreliable people, nobody can really steal anything from you since everyone has has separate drops only visible to them.

The biggest change is that good items wont get handed down. anything that can't get sold on the market will get DE'd. Anything that can get sold probably will. Although i bet prices will be so low that most stuff will be worth only a dollar or two. At that price I can give my friends more goods.
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If you have to be online at all times to play it, I will not buy it. Takes away from the whole Diablo of many many years..
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Really, everyone has separate drops? I didn't know that. That would be neat.
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Yes, really! I experienced it at blizzcon AND it is written in several places that if nobody picks something up for a few minutes it will become visible to the rest of the party. The thing is that the battles were so fast paced and moved so quickly through the environment that you would be way past any items by the time they appeared.

Obviously you can pick something up and then throw it back on the ground and everyone will see it. We transferred weapons easily this way.
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So close, and yet still so far away. Only with Blizzard can their hype incite such a mixture of excitement and frustration. They're the only game company in the world who can get away with the "Ready when it's ready" attitude.
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Oh well, I was really looking forward to Diablo III. I won`t be able to play it with my internet connection on constantly - so I guess I`ll have to skip it or wait for an offline crack/hack.

Maybe someday they will offer cable internet in my area.
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No cable where you are in Michigan? What are you, a yooper?
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I don't have access to cable (or real broadband) either, hjparcins, but I live in WI. It's really touch and go by region. I'm literally 500 feet "too far" from the installation boxes set up outside and the companies won't bend on it at all.

With all the crap about D3 lately, it's nice to hear about Inferno. Nothing but good news there.
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I call dibs on any extra `friend` beta invites you get Nebu =D
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New forums and community site!

http://us.battle.net/d3/
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Me likes the new site.
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WTF? I don't have SC2 or WoW so I can't post in the new D3 forums? LAME.
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You can post in the poor-man's forums, on classic.battle.net.
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Diggin' the site, ;).
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Nice chat gem.
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Check out these class videos which mysteriously surfaced on YouTube.

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Those videos are cool, too bad they don't have any sound.
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Nebu, is there a way to see the "original" size of the screenshots in the media section? The links appear to be borked for now.
Some of those new barb shots look really awesome.
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I'm really starting to worry about this game. You'll have to search far and wide to find someone who loved and played D2 more than I have, dating back to the day it came out. I've played Hardcore exclusively since July 2000 and the complete removal (rather than some sort of tweaking) of the hostility system is garbage. As is the lack of the RMAH for HC.
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Unless something has recently changed PvP is still in D3, it's just segregated from PvE. That being the case I fail to see what purpose hostile mode would serve in PvE other than to grief other players.
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Craig, I'll never understand people's complaints about the lack of hostility in D3. If anything they've glorified it with the arena mode. The only people who wish to hostile others are griefers. If you want to duel then do so in an arena like a man, not like a bully on the field.

This complaint is as ridiculous as people complaining about online being compulsory.
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Good job dude I like, You just need a diablo 3 twitter.
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Blazer, it sounds like you never played Hardcore mode. Hostility is part of what made the game dangerous and exciting. The problem was that the game was designed to allow for egregious griefing.

How do people grief with hostility?

1) Hostility + instant attack to kill people. I've long advocated for adding a delay to hostility, say 10 seconds. After hostility is declared and announced, everyone would have 10 seconds of immunity to hostile character, which is plenty of time to get their poop in a group.

2) TPPK. This (hopefully) won't be in D3 and is alaso solved with a delay.

3) Hostile low levels and annoy them. There has ALWAYS been a way to avoid this- private games and/or level restrictions.

The only people who wish to hostile others are griefers.

This is simply not true. I hostiled plenty of people over the years and I had zero intention to cause grief. If anything, I did it to counter their attempts at griefing me, whether with was through loot stealing, trapped portals/waypoints, or any other general annoyances they were trying to cause (especially shit talking). Most people who used hostility did so to cause grief, but not all.

Removing the hostility system isn't going to stop griefing- people who want to cause grief will find a way to do so.

I just feel that hostility is a fundamental part of the Diablo universe and that the system should have been fixed rather than removed completely.
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So the crux of hostility is to duel with others and prove who's the better player, right? You can still do all of that in an arena. You won't have to chase them all throughout the world or trick them into doing battle with you. You simply enter the arena and battle it out in a small room instead of all of sanctuary.

You can still duel in HC and suffer the permanent loss. Only now, players who wish to play HC can do so without the worry of being sniped by some a--hole. They don't have to join a game and find everybody sitting in town because there's some lvl 60 player going hostile against everybody and locking down the server. How is this fun?

Again...dueling and hostility hasn't been removed for both SC and HC. It's just been isolated into its own game mode and even given more focus. If you want to go hostile with somebody then leave the game and do it in an arena. If I'm playing on a random server with 3 other people and some clown who wants to duel, I don't want to sit in town and wait for them to finish they crap before we move on questing.

Don't presume I never played HC because I'm a proponent of no hostility. I'd rather have them focus on arena as a separate game mode rather than slap together in-game hostility in the same hokey fashion as they did in D2. They could glorify dueling in arena and allow gambling or observers. It can be taken to the next level and at the same time isolated from players who don't want to experience it. Most HC players probably don't want to deal with the annoyance of dueling. And if you want excitement in HC then let's see you take that character through inferno.

They're taking steps to mitigate griefing while at the same time embellishing upon the game by separating the audiences. For that I applaud their efforts. People complaining about the lack of hostility need to take a step back and actually analyze the situation before complaining.

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Craig, if hostile made HC "exciting" (because tppk is super exciting amirite?) then how could you possibly want the RMAH in HC?
If you're all about the "exciting" "challenge", then wouldn't you want to be sure that the "excitement" and "challenge" wasn't paid for by a mastercard?
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@ TheSilver_Ghost: Just like for D2, RMAH will exist for Hardcore in the form of d2jsp or other sale sites like D2items. Except unlike Softcore players, I can't sell my stuff for real money.

TPPK is bullshit and would never be a problem if it was addressed properly years ago by either making it so any potential damage source goes away when declaring hostility or by adding a brief period of complete immunity (like 10 seconds) after hostility is declared. And to be perfectly honest, TPPK was pretty easy to avoid if you weren't mindlessly slogging along with randoms.

Diablo 2 is simultaneously one of the greatest games of all-time and one of the most imbalanced, poorly developed and maintained games of all-time.

@Blazer: We're just going to have to agree to disagree. Hostility has been an integral part of the HC experience since D2 shipped and it's been given a bad name by griefers. Rather than adjust the system to prevent the ridiculous level of griefing possible in D2, Blizzard has chosen to completely remove it. I've already addressed the most glaring hostility griefing strategies and how they should be handled. If a high level is locking the server down, get into a new game with level restrictions or go private. People in D2 rarely wanted to leave their precious public games because of how the experience system worked. Everyone wanted to either be in a full, one party (like a baal run) game for exp leeching or in a full game to solo (or run with a buddy or two) for increased experience. Going private meant you'd lose out on all that extra xp you gained by having a full game. This is design flaw is with the way parties/experience gain work. Being sniped by a hostile a--hole is another design flaw that allowed hostility to be abused for griefing. Removing Hostility isn't the answer.

Mitigate griefing? Removing hostility can't possibly cause any less griefing that tweaking the way hostility works to prevent abuse.

As a random example, here's a screenshot I took in 2001 (pre-LoD). Two twenty something charge pallies joined and hostiled the whole game. I had just hit 30 with my barb (Hello, whirlwind!), so I grabbed a combat shrine that I remembered using earlier, ran to act 1, and killed them both in one WW before they knew what hit them. It's been 10+ years and I still smile when I think about giving those knuckleheads their just desserts. The D2 hostility system is what made moments like these possible.

As for the challenge presented by Inferno- I'll believe it when I see it. I hope I'm wrong and it's ridiculously hard, but PvM in Diablo 2 is anything but challenging if you know what you're doing (and especially with a good team). I probably farmed 200 torches by myself in HC without ever dying and my team routinely were the first guardians on East after ladder resets.

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craig, you make some interesting points, but when you say things like "There has ALWAYS been a way to avoid this- private games and/or level restrictions" you lose me.

You're missing the larger point here and that is legitimate PvE players shouldn't have to create private games or make level restrictions in order to enjoy the game the way it was meant to be played. The system should be set up so that the onus is on the griefer to wise up or ship out.

Between having no hostility and dedicated drops, it nullifies most of the scenarios you cited in your earlier post. As for the shit-talking, this can be handled by adding a mute button (a la Team Fortress 2) and/or a vote system to kick an offending player from the game.

Besides, since there is going to be a HC Arena mode those who do wish to attack other players still have a means of doing so without impacting the larger audience who prefer not to engage in PvP. Honestly, it's a win-win for everybody.

You'll never get rid of griefing 100%, but the above should go a long way in mitigating it.
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I got the play it at gamescom in germany. I played the demon hunter, pretty sweet. It looks very good.
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So jealous over the F&F testers. :(
But it's good to get actual gameplay footage that wasn't taken by a midget with a cellphone for once.
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Came across something interesting while browsing the interwebs the other day. It's a game called Path of Exile (LINK) which is very Diablo 2-esque. It's a free download and free to play but it's presently in a closed beta. Just thought I'd throw it out there for everyone.
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Nebu plays chicks? Surprising.

Ever since they announced the Wizard, I knew that would be my main class. It hasn't even began to change since then, even after watching all the live streams and all this stuff.

Other than that, I'll go canon on all the other character classes: Male barb, Male WD, Female DH.
But I can't decide between the female or male monk.
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I've always had female chars. Sorceress, Amazon. WoW, etc.
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I have female characters too. They are just more fun to look at. hahaha

I`m thinking of going wizard for my main. But if I have a chance to get in the beta, it would be neat to try all the classes to get what feels best. Part of me is tempted to find out what the least popular class will be and just play that.

BTW, we are all jealous of you, Nebu. I think you enjoy torturing us!
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Well, in D2 you didn't have a choice. :p
I never knew. Never played a game with you, I think.

What would you pick between male and female monk? Maybe you can be my tie breaker.
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I tried female Monk but I'm not doing either.
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I'll be doing a male monk for my first solo and male WD for my first planned party. The female WD sounds annoying as hell with her screeching.

Female DH will probably end up being the class I play last. It doesn't seem too exciting to me.
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Wizard for sure. Hope to name my guy IMTHEWIZ or NOBOBYBEATSME. Sucks cause there have been no good RPGs this summer, all I have is SC2 to play, and I need something less intensive.
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Alright, Blazer wins. Male monk it is. ;)
I think Nebu is the only person I've seen not interested in the monk. To each his/her own.

But I'm with you on the DH, blazer. Just doesn't seem to be much for me in that class.
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I'm not interested in the demon hunter or monk. I'll probably try the witch doctor after a barb and a wizard.
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My first play through with the demonhunter was amazing. Exactly what I wanted. I hardly ever got hit, never drank a potion, and only once got below 50% health (and my minion taunted).

Monk doesn't sound interesting to me either. 3 combos to get some ability on the table doesn't seem all that fun. But I will try it just to make sure.
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Oddly enough the monk was the class that interested me the most, while the barb interested me the least. Having watched tons of beta footage I've gained a ton of interest playing the barb and lost interest playing the monk.

I find it disappointing there's no way to use the skill hotbar to assign skills to the mouse. Was looking forward to mixing and matching monk combo attacks to strategically attack mobs, but without the ability to easily toggle my mouse key this is futile. That's probably why the monk lost much of his appeal.
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Yeah I'm thinking Witch Doctor too. That class just looks super rad.

Part of me wishes I was in the beta but another part of me wants to wait. But then the first part wins because this game looks so badass.
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Cool signed up for the beta.
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They could sell the beta just like the actual game. I had so much fun in the Diablo 2 open beta. You just submit your system specs/location and then Blizzard informs you if you are able to purchase the beta.
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Did you contribute to the class pages? What about gearvOsh?

Damn these are hot...Blizz never ceases to inspire me with their web work.
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Best thing blizzard has put out thus far:
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/
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Yeah pardon my language but the class guide and calculators are fucking awesome.
I was afraid that they wouldn't have anything approaching the arreat summit (which ends up beating even the fan wikis for many things) but if they tie the databases in the games into stuff like this with the items? That's just goddamn sexy as hell.

Man. Great job with that.
It's like they're purposely trying to make WoW look embarrassingly primitive.
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Damn it! I was just about to head off to bed when I saw these latest updates. Looks like I'll be up for another hour or so while I pour over all this new info.

The skill calculator is incredible. Now I can sort out my character builds in advance and when the game eventually comes out I don't have to waste time figuring out what I want to upgrade.

Just came across this little blurb from the latest update: Rather than hoarding skill points and holding off on improving your abilities while you wait levels for an ideal build, Diablo III lets you "respec" your skills at any time to experiment with interesting choices.

This right here alone just made my day.

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There's only one thing Diablo 3 needs now - a big ass manual with tons of art and great lore and monster descriptions.

Give me that and I will love Blizzard for another 10 years.
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Paypal blows. I once sold a video card on Ebay to a guy, stupidly without delivery confirmation. All he had to do was claim he didn`t get the video card. Paypal takes the money back out of my account and there was nothing I could do. Plus it`s just one more way for hackers to get all your banking information.
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That's only if you want to cash out the auctions. You can avoid using paypal instead putting it on your battle.net account.

Goddamn item buyers and sellers ruin games anway.
I've seen a lot of paypal bashing but I've always had really good experiences with them. Then again, I've always been the one having to ask for a refund, not the other way around.
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I've had great success with paypal and it was nice when I was the one getting screwed (bought a used MoBo for my laptop that was DoA) and got my money returned.

You definately should have a supersecure password on your paypal account though since your login is typically your email address unlike your bank account etc.
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Closed beta has started and I apparently didn't get in :*(

Crossing my fingers that there are waves of invites sent out, I guess.
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Didn't get in either. Don't really plan to. When it comes to Diablo betas, I have the worst luck ever, even though they're the only ones I ever really want to play.

I did get into PoE, though.
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Too many good games coming out at once. :(
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Didn`t get in either. Hopefully there will be more invites going out.

Oh well, back to WoW. =)
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"There`s only one thing Diablo 3 needs now - a big ass manual with tons of art and great lore and monster descriptions.

Give me that and I will love Blizzard for another 10 years."

Yeah, something like the manual for the first one.

NOT like the manual for the second one. Also, can we even call the Starcraft 2 manual a manual? Is it technically a pamphlet?
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Yeah baby this means the game will be out in 6 months! I hope i get in the beta but am not counting on it. Only reason i got into sc2 beta is because of the graciousness of a certain someone that we know and that was cool as hell.
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Beta beggers feel free to email your bnet account but no promises and I have no invites to hand out.
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If you end up with a spare key for this beta I'd very much appreciate the favor once again. But Jeff should get first dibs since he's been sporting a D2 icon for years now. You still have my B.NET account?
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Haha "Beta Begger" this should be one of your titles/levels for posters
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I would love to have an invite to the game for which you have no invites!
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I'm betting the turnover rate will be pretty high for testers in this beta. There's so little in it to do, and 4.3 is looming.

Hope they get the issues worked out. Some of them seem pretty nasty.
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Free Time spent

25% Playing Gears of War 3
75% Refreshing my email and battle.net account for diablo 3 beta invite.
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Diablo 3 is going to be the next game I use to try to get my wife into gaming.

The game is pretty simple at it's core, and her criticism of a lot of games is 'too many buttons!'. Not a big problem with D3.

I got her to play WoW for a couple months but she was never really INTO it, she just kind of jumped on every day or two for an hour or so.
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hjparcins, I had my wife raiding in vanilla for a while and the only games she'd play before that was mario. I had a really hard time getting her to play D2, but here's the trick:

You find out what she'll think is cute or funny in the game. For my wife, it is the skeletons. Once I showed her the dancing skeletons in WoW, she was hooked. Then there was the pet addiction, etc.
I showed her the scrolls of companion in D3 and she really digged that, and then I neatly segued into a video where some of the skeletons are laughing, and that was the cincher. ;)
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Yeah, I bought my wife a praerie dog in WoW and she loved it. Then she saw the pig from the orphan event and played until she got that. And then she saw the pug and went BANANAS. I don't think she ever got that, but it kept her on the hook for a while.
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I can't even get my chick to play Sims 3. She helped make a char and fought with both kids over it. Funny.
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New changes to demon hunter!
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/demon-hunter
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Protip: you dont want a wife into games, you gotta keep your worlds apart
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Trickshot, Diablo is easily my favorite game franchise ever.

I'm a student, I work, I write on the side, I contribute to a diablo wiki when time permits, and then I have my wife.
When Diablo III comes out, you can bet your ass I'm going to be sitting on mine and playing for long stretches of time. If my wife is playing alongside me, that means that one of these barricades preventing me from playing is removed.

That, and it's just plain fun to game with her. It's really cool to be around her naive gaming excitement. The noob high.
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Oh, and if you're lucky enough to be in the beta, careful with the auction house. If your stash is full and you purchase an item, you'll get an error that will lock you out of your beta account until a server restart.

At least, this is what I'm reading in the tech support forums. I'm not in so I can't confirm that but it seems to be the case.
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September 23rd, 2011 @ 5:12AM

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Oh nooo, delay til 2012!
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Sick items, I love that a lot of them are referenced back to D2. For some reason I had low expectations for gear, holy smokes was I wrong. Super stoked about this.
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September 23rd, 2011 @ 10:58AM

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Weep for my bank account, D3 moved to 2012

LOL! and then... ****!
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September 27th, 2011 @ 6:13PM

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Well at least we have a light at the end of the tunnel with an official 2012 announcement. It`s better sitting around hoping it will be under the Christmas tree.
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Since I already mailed you, being a filthy beta beggar and all, would you be willing to update us when you have a key or two handy?

I'm dying to play. Everyone I hate is getting into the beta. :(
I keep on looking at other games and I just don't care about them, even if I was looking forward to them before. Sucks even more now that D3 is knocked over to 2012.

My friends say "go back and play WoW for a while" but why? It's not Diablo. :p
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Well at least we have a light at the end of the tunnel with an official 2012 announcement.

I admire your optimism, but the reality is you're seeing the light at the end of a tunnel while standing on a backwards moving conveyor belt.

But thankfully we're halfway out of that tunnel!
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Man, the hype really died down for this when they pushed the date back. Probably not a good marketing decision.

I'm sure they'll still make a buttload off D3, but I bet if they rode the hype with an earlier "closed" beta and a faster release it would be even more successful.
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I pre-ordered the Collector's Edition on Amazon a few days ago. I hope they can actually fulfill the order and not cancel it down the road due to lack of stock.
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Oh D3 Beta, where are thee? =D
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I am not sure I actually want to get into the beta. I figure they must have some reason they delayed the release. I kind of want my first time through to be after they have fully polished it up. I am torn between impatience and impossibly high expectations. I don't have the will power to resist so my only hope is that I don't get into the beta till right before the release.
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December 13th, 2011 @ 12:52PM

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Now I'm glad they didn't start the beta early. I didn't get a taste, didn't get anything spoiled for me, and I have an assload of amazing games I'm still working through from the last few months.
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Don't forget about the awesome D3 holiday card.
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I`m in the beta for this, but I haven`t played it that much. -So- many good games, and I`m having a harder and harder time playing non-strategy games.

I`ll probably spend some time on it soon though. Am I allowed to talk about it? I don`t remember signing an NDA or anything.

**30 seconds later**

Yeah, there`s no NDA.
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Beta's cool, I got in several weeks back and played everything to 13 and got all the achievements for the Beta. Then they wiped everything for RMAH testing... lol

You aren't missing much in the Beta, it's 1/3 of the first Act and you barely get your bearings to find out what's going on so there's not much spoiling. Best advice: Reinstall D2 and practice so you remember how to move that mouse.

Frankly I was shocked I even got the invite, I did the simple opt in when it was first available. I think being on Nebu's weblog this long also had something to do with it.

And the opening cinematic there is so awesome. For some reason I think it was inspired by Prophecy (the movie).
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Holy crap --- DO NOT LIKE.

Sometimes it sucks having the inside track. If I didn't know better I would assume the dev team was yielding to the public rants (which have gotten bad only because of the release push back / no progress on things that make you want to play beta).

However, knowing a little bit about whats going on, this sounds like a great big campaign for busy work that's ultimately undermining some things that I think the community thought was great about the game and some things that were substantial steps in game development evolution.

I'm --- really jared by these changes.
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What in particular don't you like about the changes Hammer? I read through them, and I can understand they are significant, but it only seems like they are reverting the game to a more diablo 2'esque traditional style. However, I havent been in the beta so I really have no idea how the changes will pan out.
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The biggest thing I don't like that they pulled out is the Cauldron of Jordan. It was such a nice tool that allowed you to stay in the game a lot more. Going back to town was more of a respite more then anything else and I LIKED THAT.

I can't help feeling like they feel like they are compelled to take those items named after Kevin Jordan out since he left Blizzard.

The other thing that felt was an awesome improvement was how they tackled stats. The D3 Deve team were obviously gleaming off of what Patrick Wyatt did for Guild Wars and Guild Wars 2 in that respect which is a mind boggling progressive move.

Stats in most games server one major purpose. It defines the item as "For THIS class". Stats in that respect took a more progressive approach making them actually add more feel to the champ more so then defining what items are for the champ.

You'll have to forgive me if I don't cite specific examples. It's been a few months since I actually sat down and played D3. Stat wise my head is too into League of Legends these days >.
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Not sure how I feel about the stat changes, but I have to echo Hammer's thoughts concerning the Cauldron of Jordan. After playing both D2 and the D3 beta, having something like the CoJ and Nephalem Cube makes the game immensely more enjoyable. More time playing the game and less time running back and forth to town is a GOOD thing.

If the dev team insists on removing the aforementioned, they should at least consider implementing a mechanism similar to the pet from Torchlight which would allow you to continue playing the game while your pet makes a run to town on your behalf hawking your wares and salvaging marked items.

The no ident scrolls, dedicated potion button, showing stats directly in inventory UI..I like those changes.

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Yea, those UI improvements are helpful.

A lot of this however, feels like "busy work", I'm not gonna lie. Those who have a little more insight on internal operations over in Irvine probably have an idea why it comes off sounding that way too.

A few people at my firm have been toiling with stat ideas over the last few months and our major consensus is the idea of traditional stats just doesn't seem to add to game play value anymore. You can make the stats more compelling, you can make them more engaging by determining how they effect skills, abilities, other stats, etc. but at the end of the day all it serves to do is make the item good for one class / spec over another.

I'd really love to discuss what my teams ideal solution for what we feel has become a stagnation in games, but we feel we can develop something nifty from this concept in our backlog.

Overall though, I think Jay Wilson and his team were much more on track before. I think Patrick Wyatt's team over at NCSoft is on the verge of an industry breaking change. Beyond that, I really want to know whats going on at Runic. I just feel like they're getting ready to talk about something they've worked on that is extremely innovative.
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I like all the changes across the board, including the stat changes. There are now more decisions to make with stats, as every class has some viable reason why they may want any of the stats. Every stat has some bonus that affects all classes, and therefore may be desired in some niche build. I don't think that aspect was as strong in the (frankly) more boring stat system they had before.

I also like the idea of removing the cube, as before people were picking up EVERY piece of garbage on the floor, and that simply was not how you played Diablo before. Like Jay said, there should be items that you don't pick up. You don't have to go to town more often, just stop picking up garbage, and actually weigh whether or not something is worth picking up. Just like we all did in D2.

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Funny, I was always a hoarder in D2...I'd pickup everything I could see/find in order to sell and get every last piece of gold possible haha!

I like what they did with the skills in the new patch so that you can now change them at any point and there's a 30 second cool-down before you can switch them again.
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It was always more efficient to just pick up the good stuff, even if you were after gold. It added a whole metagame of knowing what items sell for a lot of gold (wands), which items were sought after (certain ethereals/socketed could trade really high), and otherwise keep moving to get more drops instead of constantly going back to town. Not that everything has to stay like Diablo 2, but I think the way loot worked was one of the fundamental reasons for that game's success.
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Can I break a breakdown of the stat changes? I feel like I've read a few articles about the changes in D3B, but I haven't seen anything in depth on this. I'm actually in the beta, but I haven't played it since, literally, the night before they announced all of the changes. It was the first time I beat D3B....
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RE: Amazon.com has collector's edition again...

I clicked on the link to check my order status...it was placed back on November 9th!
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Apparently, Blizzard has decided to force a softcore run through normal difficulty to unlock Hardcore. There's a ton of debate on the official forums and the incgamers forums and if the game ships this way, I will not get it.
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"Apparently, Blizzard has decided to force a softcore run through normal difficulty to unlock Hardcore. There's a ton of debate on the official forums and the incgamers forums and if the game ships this way, I will not get it."

I sort of get that hardcore is an expansion of the base game. However... why take away optional difficulty levels? Especially considering D3 is increasingly easy to begin with....
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February 19th, 2012 @ 9:45AM

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Who cares if they force a softcore run first? I guess it's kind of a useless requirement, but you're going to let one easy-as-shit softcore playthrough stop you from enjoying the game? When people (especially the hardcores) play these games 1000x through?

Seems silly, and I bet you still buy it.
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February 19th, 2012 @ 10:26AM

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hjparcins:

I assume it has to do with people wanting to play the first run sight-unseen when the most is at stake.

After you beat the game, you know what to expect (see: all fans of real RPGs, nethack, Dark Souls, etc). They want the combination of everything being new to them AND everything being at stake.
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"Apparently, Blizzard has decided to force a softcore run through normal difficulty to unlock Hardcore. There`s a ton of debate on the official forums and the incgamers forums and if the game ships this way, I will not get it."

Hasn`t every Diablo game always been like this? Just vaguely I remember you do it on normal, then nightmare and then finally hell. Nothing to be upset about really, especially to the point of not even buying the game to experience it based on that one facet of the game.

Guess people just like to be angry over nothing.
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There's a whole video about the difficulty. It was difficult on normal enough I think.
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"Guess people just like to be angry over nothing."

It's nothing to YOU because you obviously don't play Hardcore. I've been playing Hardcore in D2 exclusively since July 2000.

Based on the current setup, my first experience with this game would be a mad rush through the bare-minimum content so I can start playing the way I want to play.

As for "every diablo game being like this," Diablo 1 didn't have hardcore. Diablo 2 started like this but a patch made it so anyone can create a Hardcore character at any time. Before the patch a registry tweak let you go straight to HC, too.

A common reply I'm seeing (from non-HC players, obviously) is to impose do-it-youself hardcore by deleting this first softcore character each time it dies. An amazing thought until I complete normal without dying, at which point I've spent all those hours on a character I'll never play again. Would you non-HC players be willing to delete your character and start over after completing normal difficulty for the first time? I don't think so.

There's simply no good reason to force people to play through softcore to unlock hardcore. I'm inclined to believe it's all about the money- anyone who skips softcore will never be subjected to the RMAH.

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You sure about that Mantaur? I just finished playing the barbarian and auto-attack worked just fine for me.

I'm not a hardcore player but I can see where craig is coming from. It makes sense that you have to unlock Nightmare/Hell/Inferno but the HC versions are a different beast and I can't really see the benefit of forcing a player to play normal only to have them discard the player and start over on normal HC.

Perhaps as a compromise Blizz could offer these players the option to covert these normal non-HC characters into HC so that instead of starting over from scratch, you continue where you left off (on Nightmare) but on HC. I dunno. It just seems that since they've segregated the PvE and PvP it seems like a no-brainer to segregate the regular players from the HC players. Let each do their own thing.

And I'm loving the new patch! It's nice to finally have a chance to play with the skill runes. I really do wish though that they fix the public chat, adding friends and joining public games asap. They're either broken or completely unreliable. The gameplay itself though is solid. It's my understanding that spells/skill runes were the last big update to be pushed down. If it's received well, I'm hoping that it means that the final game will come out in April/May.

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February 21st, 2012 @ 10:17AM

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Update sounds awesome. I like the idea of getting a new skill/skill upgrade ever level. Badass.
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Just did another full run through with the wizard, and I love the new changes. The only thing I don't like is the new method for assigning skills. Even with "elective mode" on, you have to scroll through the different pages of skills instead of having them all on one page like before. Just a minor annoyance, everything else is great.
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So what class is everyone going to play on their first run? I'm leaning toward Witch Doctor, but man, Wizard seems pretty rad. I just feel like Wiz will be the most played, and I like to be the underdog.
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Wizard for me.
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The Wizard has some of the coolest looking skills of all the classes (Meteor!). For me though my favourite classes are WD and Barb. I'll be rolling both from the get go and interchange them depending on what group of people I'm with. But if I had to pick one, it'd be the WD as it suits my playing style the best.
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I am so happy to know the release date, it is further out than I expected. I am glad they let us know though so I can better plan out my game time till it is released.

I always have a hard time choosing a class. I liked the barb in D2 because I could jump across streams and not have to run along the map's little mini-mazes. I swear some of the area's reminded me of one of those roped off zig-zaggy lines at a bank, especially that feeling of walking the maze when there was no one in line.
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Happy to have a firm release date!
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Such a glorious morning. My friend called and woke me up to announce the news.
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Well I don't know what support we'll have but maybe there's a chat channel or some way for us to group up.
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My work productivity dropped significantly when I heard the good news today haha!

If people want to post their BattleTag I'd be happy to make another GoogleDoc containing all the EN-D3 peeps here (like I did for SC2). I'll start the ball rolling:

Tag: Bivrip#1783

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Good idea BiVRiP.

Tag: Blazur#1670
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may 15! yes yes yes! aint gotta wait til november or anything crazy. this is the best news ever
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Being a true fan I'll be at the store buying the CE at midnight. And not being a fan in Southern Cali, Nebu, I would love to know how I can get some real signatures on that box. Like everyone from Jay Wilson through that guy that maintained Arreat Summit. Waited forever for this thing, may as well do it up right, yes?
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So excited, pre-ordered it yesterday. Just hoping I can find time to play. We have a newborn and he will be 14 weeks old when it comes out, hopefully his sleep pattern will be better and give me a chance to play in the evenings. If it requires any kind of time crunch like WoW is then I`m afraid I won`t be able to play it for long :(
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Congrats on your newborn!
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@Tsabo - Sounds like you never played the others, but rest assured Diablo is nothing like an MMO. Those require substantial time commitments. Diablo is more for the gent/lady that wants to smash monsters on their own time. No guilds, no raids, no ridiculous endgame time requirements, no having to constantly upgrade gear with each patch to stay current. You can really play this game at whatever pace you want and come and go as you please. So see you inside!
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March 16th, 2012 @ 6:31PM

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Yup, that's one of the best features about the Diablo series. You can solo and still be able to reach and enjoy end-game content at your convenience. Play as little or as much as you want.

That sorryformay15.com site is funny. My friend sent one to his wife and then she texted me to say that he's going to be grounded that week and to find somebody else to play with haha.
cobsteele02
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March 18th, 2012 @ 4:43AM

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This is a good time for me to finish all the consoles games I got laying around. Once May 15th comes around it'll be eat, sleep, work, and Diablo 3
hjparcins
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March 19th, 2012 @ 5:37AM

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Figures. I have a conference out of town May 17 - 19. Which means I'll be trying to get extra work done in the couple days before, as well.

Damn you Blizzard!
Blazer
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March 27th, 2012 @ 1:05PM

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I hope the Reizarfg makes an appearance in this one.
TheSilver_Ghost
is awesome.

March 28th, 2012 @ 8:50PM

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I hope the Reizarfg makes an appearance in this one.

Right?

A true brosef out there has created an OCD web app to track release progress.

So happy that it's releasing the day after my last final. I have the self-control to manage my time, but that doesn't mean it wouldn't suck taking a final knowing I could be playing. And the beta has been so damn fun since they upped the difficulty. Can't wait.

EDITED: 2012-03-28 20:50:30
Blazer
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March 28th, 2012 @ 8:53PM

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Yeah, I've been enjoying the beta so much more since patch 15. Still wish there was less automation throughout levels, but whatcha gonna do.
Disastrous Fate
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March 29th, 2012 @ 9:44AM

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"Yeah, I've been enjoying the beta so much more since patch 15. Still wish there was less automation throughout levels, but whatcha gonna do."

Yeah? Maybe I'll play it again. The beta is just so limited that it's hard for me to play through it again. Honestly, I still have no idea if I want the game or not.
TheSilver_Ghost
is awesome.

March 29th, 2012 @ 10:35AM

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If you haven't played for a couple of patches, then you may want to check it out. It's shaping up nicely.
Wootah
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April 9th, 2012 @ 2:46PM

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I have been to the demon hunter page and it locks up so that I can't create a banner :(

It has been that way the whole week.
Tsabo
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April 9th, 2012 @ 3:16PM

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I would love to but every time I go to the page it`s either PHP errors or the flash object never loads, just keeps saying loading... :(
SourGrapes
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April 10th, 2012 @ 12:25AM

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Thanks for the head up. Can`t miss out on FREE LEWTZ
RowdyRoddyPiper
Nut Job

April 20th, 2012 @ 3:42AM

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yay best weekend ever!
TheSilver_Ghost
is awesome.

April 20th, 2012 @ 9:23PM

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I've been playing the beta since December and I have to say it was incredibly cool to get this massive influx of new players. I stalked the chat channels and it was awesome just hearing how excited people are.

It's nice to hear this from people who didn't follow the game like a psychotic freak such as myself has. I feel a bit more validated in my own excitement, I suppose.
mad_dog1
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April 20th, 2012 @ 11:09PM

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its awesome. just like i imagined. so much has been refined. the only thing that is bothering me is that i STILL feel that its too colorful. wow really has defiled the blizzard art vibe.

this and the bullshit that d3 is shutting down my whole computer after a while. no other game does that. really hope its a beta thing...
TheSilver_Ghost
is awesome.

April 26th, 2012 @ 10:09AM

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I wrote up a primer for new players. If you haven't kept up with the game and want to read about some of the basic changes, then this may help out.

@Mad_dog1, that sounds like an overheating/cooling problem. Have you tried playing with vsync on?
Zaar
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April 26th, 2012 @ 6:37PM

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Well so much for participating in any opening events. I just found out I'll be at 29 palms during that week hah.
mad_dog1
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May 8th, 2012 @ 1:28PM

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@silverghost: i tried it all still didnt help. but it was a common problem i found out after some research.


imperius endboss for first d3 expansion :)
TheSilver_Ghost
is awesome.

May 8th, 2012 @ 6:46PM

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All the sigils are available on the release site until the 18th. After that, you can't get them anymore.
RowdyRoddyPiper
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May 8th, 2012 @ 6:55PM

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i got an incredible stroke of luck at work. i requested the week of the 14th- off and got it approved today im so happy.
justinr
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May 10th, 2012 @ 7:58AM

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Constrictor
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May 10th, 2012 @ 8:27AM

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Wow has it actually been nearly 4 years since D3 was confirmed/announced?

I have been waiting 10 years for this. I will be taking off 4 days from work and hopefully farming hell with a level 60 character by the weekend.

I can't wait.
VitoBro
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May 10th, 2012 @ 3:54PM

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Snafu#1218
LanTheWarder
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May 11th, 2012 @ 1:31PM

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Yibo
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May 11th, 2012 @ 2:27PM

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TheSilver_Ghost
is awesome.

May 11th, 2012 @ 2:35PM

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I'm going solo fools. :p
I'll be back after that.
dohdohburd
Burd is the word

May 11th, 2012 @ 6:44PM

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hjparcins
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May 11th, 2012 @ 7:35PM

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GD, I'm stealing internet right now while I wait for a ridiculously backed up AT&T to install my shit. My hijacked wireless is slow as BALLS.

And of course, my install date is the 15th. No pre-load for me, and I get the feeling I'm going to be downloading at like 15 kb/s for 2 days after launch.

Figures.

Oh, and: hjparcins#1911

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BiVRiP
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May 13th, 2012 @ 9:19AM

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I just finished building my new PC this morning. 2 days left to D3!!!
Wootah
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May 13th, 2012 @ 2:44PM

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RowdyRoddyPiper
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May 13th, 2012 @ 3:47PM

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I bought the digital copy just now and downloading it. beats going to a store here and finding it sold out or not available!

anyways my battletag is RRP#1199
see ya on the lootfields
ShazamazahS
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May 13th, 2012 @ 4:39PM

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May 13th, 2012 @ 5:49PM

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dandaman111188
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May 13th, 2012 @ 7:35PM

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May 13th, 2012 @ 8:43PM

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zeepo
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May 14th, 2012 @ 4:28AM

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qio#1722

I`ll be soloing through normal, but after that all for grouping up.
TheSilver_Ghost
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May 14th, 2012 @ 6:33AM

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Nebu, you going to the Irvine launch event?

I have nowhere to read about Diablo now. Everyone is going 100% full retard on the forums.
Disastrous Fate
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May 14th, 2012 @ 7:35AM

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Hey guys, isn't that Diablo game supposed to be coming out soon?
Thorinos
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May 14th, 2012 @ 1:35PM

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Darren
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May 14th, 2012 @ 2:01PM

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Rolling Hardcore only, just as soon as I can get that first level 10 in softcore... GRRR.

zerohour#1735

Anyone that likes to play for keeps, feel free to join me.
Jubedgy
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May 14th, 2012 @ 2:25PM

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hjparcins
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May 14th, 2012 @ 2:39PM

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Silver Ghost - try reddit.com/r/diablo

A little more organized.
Nebuchadnezzar
The King

May 14th, 2012 @ 3:35PM

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I think I'll skip the launch event.
craig
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May 14th, 2012 @ 3:47PM

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csullivan#1878. Extremely oldschool d2 hardcore player, rushing to level 10 immediately to go straight to HC in D3. Likely rolling a barb. If you're going right to HC, feel free to add me.
Rona1dRaygun
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May 14th, 2012 @ 4:02PM

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RonaldRaygun#1903 checking in, ready to play.
Moxt
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May 14th, 2012 @ 4:51PM

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Moxt#1795

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Trickshot
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May 14th, 2012 @ 5:06PM

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ndoflaven#1308 Not really interested in Hc, but am interested in rushing through the game as fast as possible.
Trickshot
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May 14th, 2012 @ 5:49PM

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d`oh, indoflaven#1308
Gruelon
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May 14th, 2012 @ 6:59PM

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Wetnoodle
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May 14th, 2012 @ 7:32PM

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AggieSpirit
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May 14th, 2012 @ 8:03PM

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eliw23
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May 14th, 2012 @ 9:53PM

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Deester
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May 14th, 2012 @ 9:58PM

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I regret clicking the "Koreans slay Diablo in 6 hours" link as it has a MASSIVE spoiler! Stupid me.
RowdyRoddyPiper
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May 14th, 2012 @ 10:35PM

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thanks nebu for keeping the time updated on release. this livestream is pretty cool
RowdyRoddyPiper
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May 15th, 2012 @ 12:07AM

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datgummit servers are busy !_!
craig
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May 15th, 2012 @ 12:07AM

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The servers are busy? WTF! How are we not prepared for simultaneous megalaunch?
RowdyRoddyPiper
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May 15th, 2012 @ 12:28AM

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jeez shouldnt be this bad. its only digital buyers trying to get in at the moment of launch doubtful the hard copys are at home yet and installed and ready to go ehhhhh.
Nebuchadnezzar
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May 15th, 2012 @ 12:35AM

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And then we all can't play the end.

I was actually going to try to play with my chick. Oh well.

EDITED: 2012-05-15 00:45:46
Nebuchadnezzar
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May 15th, 2012 @ 12:51AM

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Please note that due to a high volume of traffic, login and character creation may be slower than normal. If you're unable to login to the game or create characters, please wait and try again. We've temporarily taken our Battle.net websites offline and launched more servers to accomodate for the traffic. We hope to resolve these issues as soon as possible and appreciate your patience.
Nebuchadnezzar
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http://www.error37.com/
Constrictor
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May 15th, 2012 @ 7:45AM

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Took me over an hour to get online this morning but I played 4 hours before work. Got a level 16 wizard so far. Loving it. Haven't died yet and am tearing everything up rapidly. So good.
Tsabo
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May 15th, 2012 @ 9:06AM

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Tsabo#1421

For when ever I get in, had to open a support ticket for a just in time error message.
cobsteele02
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May 15th, 2012 @ 2:47PM

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I got home from work about 8am and played till 11. Slept a little bit, to wake up and see the servers are down =(
Zaar
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May 15th, 2012 @ 6:09PM

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derelict#1433
CRowsey
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May 15th, 2012 @ 6:56PM

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ReaverSC
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May 15th, 2012 @ 7:26PM

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I went to Fry`s this morning to pick up a copy and all of the collector`s editions were already sold out. I think "no biggie" and check online and they are sold out as well. I then check my local craigslist and all these assholes are selling them for $150-200.

Just gonna wait to pick the game up, not like anyone is getting to play it right now anyways.
mad_dog1
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May 15th, 2012 @ 7:27PM

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rushed a char to 10 then went straight for a hardcore barbarian.

insane thrill when a1 endboss charged..

lvl18 and a2 now.
Constrictor
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May 15th, 2012 @ 8:44PM

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Constrictor#1537
TheSilver_Ghost
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May 15th, 2012 @ 8:55PM

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Game was worth the wait. Online-only was not.

It's a shame they spent so much time making a game that Americans can't play for every other hour. :p

Level 27 Wizard, half-way through Act III.
Blazer
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May 15th, 2012 @ 9:21PM

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Wow...so many outages today.
LaGG
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May 15th, 2012 @ 9:34PM

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Played from 1am to 2am after launch, get home after work today and the servers are down.

Been trying to play longer than actually playing.

EDITED: 2012-05-15 21:35:22
Apricoth
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May 16th, 2012 @ 5:32AM

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Man I got to get into irc with you guys. Keep forgetting. I will be amongst you tonight!

Loving D3. That is all!
VitoBro
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May 16th, 2012 @ 5:43AM

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I must be one of the few that didn`t experience any server downage or lag yet. I was playing without any stoppage between 2am-10am and then from 4:30pm-8pm. Level 27Wizard slashing through ActIII right now.

You guys remember early D2 reviews that mentioned D2 was like D1 on steroids, I think it was a PC Gamer review? That`s my feeling about D3 so far. D2 on steroids. Game on!
Tapar
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May 16th, 2012 @ 9:19AM

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I am loving the little touches that remove the hassles. The town portal thing is awesome, and the "click the persons herald to TP to them" is brilliant. I am a loot whore and I don't have to slow down my leveling buddy who would rarely hit the town to sell off stuff. So far really impressed!
Nebuchadnezzar
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May 16th, 2012 @ 1:58PM

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added everyone who listed
Zoner
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May 16th, 2012 @ 4:23PM

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sorry wrong Battle Tag name the right one is Warzone#1745
DarkShear
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May 16th, 2012 @ 5:13PM

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DarkShear#1444
tsunugundam
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May 16th, 2012 @ 5:17PM

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Seraph#1574

Video of new secret level:
Youtube link

lol.
hjparcins
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May 16th, 2012 @ 5:37PM

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Major altitis. Can't pick a class.

I have a WD to around 16 that is pretty cool, but now I'm trying other classes. It's hard to compare to WD

Wizard at 14. Man, he sucks compared to WD. Maybe WD is overpowered, I dunno. It seems like I've been using the first 4 skills Wizard gets, and everything else I pick up BLOWS. Magic Missile, Arcane Orb, Frost Nova and Wave of Force are great.

The short-range slashy spell blows. Charged bolt BLOWS. Energy Twister is easily the worst spell anyone has ever conceived, I literally cannot believe the spell made it to launch this bad. It is truly horrendous.

Now I'm going to check out Monk or maybe Demon Hunter. I feel like everyone is probably a Barbarian so I'll hold off on that.
DeuceOfSpades
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May 16th, 2012 @ 11:02PM

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Cake.
Nalcolm
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May 17th, 2012 @ 1:36AM

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Demndred#1719

The short-range slashy spell blows. Charged bolt BLOWS. Energy Twister is easily the worst spell anyone has ever conceived, I literally cannot believe the spell made it to launch this bad. It is truly horrendous.

Maybe blizzard was going for a War2 nostalgia vibe with that one ;).
Apricoth
Kali Compton Girl

May 17th, 2012 @ 3:04PM

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Oh! My battle tag is Apryana#1287
Akebono
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May 17th, 2012 @ 5:17PM

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SourGrapes
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May 17th, 2012 @ 10:19PM

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Hahah that video was gold. Amazon has failed me. No D3 until NEXT FREAKING WEAK. Yeah next time I just go to Gamestop or something.
Charkoth
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May 18th, 2012 @ 11:52PM

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madbub
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May 19th, 2012 @ 11:29AM

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siut#1900

hope to see you guys sometime
silvaside
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May 19th, 2012 @ 7:39PM

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Level 40 Demon Hunter. I`m in Australia but try and play 24/7 as time permits :P
DarkShear
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May 20th, 2012 @ 2:51PM

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I have been pleasantly surprised with D3. Changes to the game from D2 would of course happen. Some of them I am not a huge fan of, but over all the Diablo3 experience has been awesome. The multi player setup is great.
Apricoth
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May 21st, 2012 @ 4:46AM

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haha At the near death of the Monk. He just basically hauled his own arse out of the frying pan. That's great!
DarkShear
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May 22nd, 2012 @ 1:25AM

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Wow that Monk almost bit it. Very close!~
mad_dog1
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May 22nd, 2012 @ 1:00PM

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man i got sweaty hands watching that monk run for his life.

have seen a vid of that guy loosing a monk before.
jdLordHelmet
Good is Dumb

May 22nd, 2012 @ 1:37PM

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Gameplay is great all around and I'm having a lot of fun, but the loot system is ruining it for me. I hope something changes.

Specifically, I feel like the loot in D2 was the one thing that made it the behemoth that it was. It was the one thing they didn't need to F with, but they did in an inexplicable and inexcusable way. I just don't know what they were thinking. I feel like I am playing one of the D2 knock-offs when it comes to the loot system. Why change what worked?

EDITED: 2012-05-22 13:39:44
ReaverSC
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May 22nd, 2012 @ 3:03PM

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@jdlordhelmet, yeah I initially thought the loot system was pretty crappy, but I think it`s something that will definitely improve with time. I really miss trying to trade for that one piece of loot that I really want, and I can`t think of a single item that I`m looking forward to farm for or trade in D3.

That being said, looks like the game got a nice update last night, and I found 3 rares that go perfectly with my Wizard.
BiVRiP
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May 22nd, 2012 @ 9:41PM

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I have to disagree. I think the new loot system is far better than D2. I loved D2 but I always hated the ninja looters, particularly during Baal runs. The new system is far more equitable, especially if you're in a public game with people you don't know.

And I love how you can just hover over an item that's on the ground, press "CTRL" and it will not only display the stats but compare it with what you currently have equipped. So much easier than constantly having to pick something up, check it, than discard it.
jdLordHelmet
Good is Dumb

May 23rd, 2012 @ 2:36PM

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That's not what I'm talking about. All of that is fine.

What I don't like is how uniques ("legendaries") are not only so rare that I don't know anyone who has personally found one, but their stats are horrible compared to reasonably common yellows. The stats themselves are boring, and basically boils down to stacking (in order) +damage, class stat, and vitality. All of the flavor of the old uniques, the interesting items, it's all gone. When I kill a boss, I'm not even interested in the loot beyond how much gold I can sell it for, so I can buy some other disposable yellow. Gold is the only thing that matters, and items aren't interesting.

Others have said all of this much better and in greater length. I just don't like it, and its going to kill this game for me. I'm already sharing my game time with LoL again, and it kills me because I was such a hardcore D2 fan. No way this game, in this form, is getting 10 years from me. Not even one at this rate.
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Ah. That makes more sense. I know one friend whose found a Legendary item but that's it. Interestingly though if you visit the auction house it's already flooded with legendary items. You're right though, it seems like if you want the best gear you're gonna end up farming rare items.

Something else I find quirky is I'm halfway through nightmare and I've yet to find even one set (green) item.

But I'm still having a blast playing and I can't wait to hit up the secret level. The YouTube videos I've seen are hilarious. I wonder if you can access them more than once?
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FarmAnimal#1989

Still finishing up the semester so I haven`t played much :(
DarkShear
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So for giggles I read a few reviews posted by customers for Diablo3 on Amazon.com.

One user complained about the money auction house a feature no one has used.

One user said the game was too much like Diablo1.

Most people complained it wasn't like Diablo2.

I wonder if the Madden gaming series has created this idea that because it has a 2/3/4 etc after the title that it should be the exact same game. Just with updated rosters and every now and then updated graphics.

Anyone else seeing this trend? I am all for nostalgia. Heck I just bought Shining Force 1 & 2 the other day on Steam so I could play them for the 100th time.

I dunno, a lot of the complaints seem silly. Although I do agree with LordHelmet that unique are vastly weaker then one would suppose they should be.
jdLordHelmet
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May 25th, 2012 @ 6:27PM

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Why does it only ask me to enter my authenticator very rarely? WoW used to ask every time I logged in. Now it's like 3 times ever for Diablo 3.

edit: found the option in my account settings.

EDITED: 2012-05-25 18:34:28
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Dunno about all the complaining, but I`m having a blast playing! Woot! Keep up the good work, I know the game is only going to get better and better!

By the way, I was online when you hit level 60 with your Wizard Nebu. Grats!!!!!
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DarkShear
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Thanks for posting the update news. Which brings me to a question --- why isn't that on the log in screen? I do not and I assume I am like many others...do not browse through forums.

I would typically expect the company instead of trying to resell me the game I purchased(I find this funny) to let me of know changes. Right? :)

D3 --- I'm having boat loads of fun. Hit lvl60 tonight. :)!
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Man, LordHelmet shares my thoughts ... unfortunately.

I know games are supposed to evolve, but didn't they do any test marketing prior to development with anyone? It has such a WoW inspired environment but not really - since they eliminated our lobby chat. Half the fun of Diablo was sitting in lobby hurling insults at random people you'll never know and then dueling them for gold and gear.

Dirty secret, 3 months ago I ditched WoW and started playing D2 again along with my D3 beta. Worst thing I could have done. Beta didn't show us enough and it honestly came down to the stupid loot. I'm just disappointed in the loot. And replayability. I started a wizard while working through inferno on the barb but I just don't have the desire... and I played through Hardcore D2 about 5 dozen times.

On a side note, I think Nebu is working the official site, right? If so it's looking sharp. When's the new AS going to be done?

EDITED: 2012-05-29 17:19:50
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Well that Kotaky "article" was a waste of time. Glad I didn`t finish it though haha
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Great responses to those questions indeed. Glad I'm not the only one who thinks invul enemies are over powered right now.
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Blizzard working hard to fix error 37.
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My Hardcore barb is level 60 and in Inferno act 1. Hardest part was Hell Izual by far- he actually got me below half health as I was unable to protect against freeze fort he last 30 seconds or so of the battle after Wrath of the Berserker wore off. I've got approximately 7k damage, 50k life, ~400 to all resists, and ~7.5k armor and I've played everything pretty much solo with an enchantress. Working on upgrading gear before progressing into inferno. Those zombies hit really, really, really hard and I've only played through the basement under Adria's hut =/

Looking forward to patch 1.03. I love all the softcore whiners who say that inferno is already too easy and that they need to make it harder- I tell these dorks to stfu and play HC id it's so easy.
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Yeah HC is the way to go. So much more challenging, and much more fun when there's actually something at risk.
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What's up with all the people loosing accounts? I didn't buy diablo 3 due to the money for items and always online requirement, but most everyone in my guild did, and many of them are loosing accounts and their items?

A bit of background is in order - I have gamed with many of these people since 1994, and our guild has been running since 1997 - we've all met numerous times at Blizzcon, PAX, and Comicon. Some of us have gotten married to one another. These people are like family - I trust them deeply, and they are savvy people, who use virus protection, ad-blocker, know to change up their passwords, and steer clear of 3rd party sites of all flavors.

4 people of 42 in our guild have lost their gold and or gear in diablo 3, which seems like alot given the numbers involved. Obviously, I am not in a good position to comment on specifics, since I don't have the game, but I don't ever remember anyone loosing their accounts in diablo 2 this way - and some of the more dedicated players had all of the snazzy runewords, high runes, and 90+ level characters.

I have been told that they were told by CS that they should have gotten an authenticator? Now, perhaps I am showing my age here, but what's the deal there? Let's pretend that I have been drilling oil in Montana and North Dakota for the last several years, and missed the part where video game accounts started needing the kinds of security that banks and credit card companies require?

Wha? What the hell happened to gaming? I choose to blame lewt personally. They were the beginning of the end imho.

Geeze.

Anywho, I am rambling... sorry. Back on subject - are these account compromises widespread or are my poor guild members just really really lucky?

EDITED: 2012-06-15 23:14:11
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The problem is that, with D2 and WoW and EVE and all these other MMOs, virtual goods have a price tag now. A lot of unscrupulous foreign broke-asses are willing to hack your shit to take it, with no consequences in their home countries (or hell, even here in the US usually).

Layer on the fact that D3 is something people sign up on other websites to learn about (builds, forums, etc.) and use the same password as their account. All the gold farmers need to do is grab a list of acct/passwords from D2FANSITE.COM and try them out in the game.

Since most people are too lazy to grab an authenticator (mine only asks me once a week or when it logs in from a new computer), you can see how this gets to be a problem.

EDITED: 2012-06-16 06:39:41
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Hit detection is garbage in this game: http://www.diablofans.com/topic/53293-hit-detection-broken-dodging-impossible/page__st__80

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Yup. Anytime you have something that's popular and in demand, it's always going to bring out the unscrupulous characters who want to make a quick buck out it. D3 just happens to be the "it" game at the moment.
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So basically anymore a person has to buy an authenticator dongle or they'll get zapped eventually? Or am I missing something here?

You know, having to deal with crap this is why I stopped playing online games. I had lost a Dark Age of Camelot account back in 05 to sh*&heads who looted it, and I largely quit playing online games after that.

You know Schlonglor, I'd be willing to pay $100.00 bucks for an offline capable Diablo 3 with a LAN option... alot of friends would too. If you want to maybe mention that there are quite a few of us willing to pay a bit more, but cell/internet is sketchy where we work - or we are so completely and totally SICK of dealing with the pond filth that rove the internet like maggots, looking to ruin months/years of work over a few $$, that we are reduced to playing Baldur's Gate II over LAN together.

Ahhh memories... but seriously... I am growing to hate people online more and more. And I ain't even playing with them to any measurable degree... but when poor Aramina looses her little monk and all her pattern thingies, it pisses me off to see her and others so upset.

>:<

EDITED: 2012-06-17 02:03:10
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I just thought of something...

http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2012/05/30/the-horror-of-being-hacked-in-diablo-3/2/

http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2012/05/31/for-diablo-3-hacking-the-buck-stops-where/

These articles got me thinking...

Back when Diablo 2 was newer I remember a problem that occurred with the character databases for a few days. Basically, you logged in, and SOME of your toons were naked - gold, inventory, stash empty. I don't remember all the specifics, but it was caused by something improper happening when you exited a game, and after that, the character could not longer interact with the it's equipment data. The stuff was still there, you just could not access it.

It seems very odd to me that people are loosing one or two characters - and often times not the best ones - while the rest of their account is untouched. One of the guildies with alts lost several lower level char's equip, while his maxed level with lots of goodies was unmolested.

Perhaps this is not accounts being compromised, but a similar situations to what happened back in the old days of diablo 2. Their stuff is "there" it's just that some small issues is causing it to be unreadable somehow?

Dunno, I can't see the robbers stripping Philodoc's level 20's when he had a level 50 something with tons of gold and stuff on it.

That makes no sense to me? Maybe it's just a database error?
Istari
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June 19th, 2012 @ 8:11PM

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Cool that Reddit has the Blizz icon for Blizzard posters. And geez, does this thread have more comments than any other on EN?
craig
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June 21st, 2012 @ 1:57PM

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Pretty cool that Kripparian's Inferno HC Diablo kill made BBC news.
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one of your ads is for buying diablo 3 gold, i dunno if thats kosher now with the real money AH in that game or not, but i just thought i'd let you know
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I hate the idea of gear swapping. I want them to do something about it but it looks like the community is pretty split all over the place. Of their proposed suggestions, I feel that #2 is the absolute best. People might swap one piece for fights but not many.

3 isn't bad and 4 could live with 4. I think the cap (1) is stupid and 5 is awful. Sometimes you might want to put a piece of gear on with more vitality or more Life on Hit for a certain headache pack. Losing a stack is NOT the way to go. I wanted to comment but the thread capped awfully fast.
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I've quit D3 entirely, and can honestly say it has been one of my biggest disappointments in recent gaming history. It seems like Blizz has done everything possible to minimize player skill while reinforcing the need for gear alone to progress. After act 1 inferno it just gets tedious and unrewarding to play. Plus they couldn't even deliver PvP or web profiles at or around launch, and they're nowhere in sight.

Also I found my mood to be generally irritable from playing this game during the first 2 months. Probably stemming from both frustration and disappointment at knowing one of my most anticipated games didn't come close to meeting my expectations.

Most of my friends are abandoning the game as well.
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Still love it. Can't wait for 1.04 and then PvP.
Charkoth
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August 6th, 2012 @ 4:33PM

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Yeah looking at my Blizzard friends list, Diablo 3 has been a Ghosttown. I haven't played the game in weeks and I've recently just sold off everything I own for a paltry 25 million gold in case I want to pick the game up in the future and not suffer from inflated items (I'd advise doing the same for anyone else who has quit that MAY come back).

This is definitely Blizzards worst launch to date.
craig
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I'm still playing, but only because of my insatiable desire to finish Inferno in HC mode (I played softcore through Normal for a few days after launch and have been HC ever since). I killed Inferno Belial with my Barb on 7/15 and have been farming act 1 like a madman to save gold to buy gear for act 3 and it's not going well. Upgrades at this point are either 10-20+ mil each or simply aren't available at all.

I can farm act 1 in my sleep, yet act 2 is still a challenge/dangerous/slow.

I've gotten every class to level 60 and have geared up my DH as a Nightmare Goldfinder (also to work towards the 100k DH kills achievement). I've also geared my Monk a bit in attempt to eventually progress through Inferno, but I just flat prefer Barbarians. My Wiz and WD are not geared for level 60 or Inferno yet.

It's weird- I'm a huge D2 fan, having played off and on since launch (HC exclusively), and I almost didn't get d3 at all because of how much I expected not to like the game, yet I'm in the extreme minority among my gaming friends as one who has stuck with the game. *shrug*

Here's my barb, if you're bored: http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/csullivan-1878/hero/21089499
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The more I read about the upcoming 1.0.4 patch the more I want to get back into the game. The stuff about the new legendary items alone is very interesting.
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1.04 is a solid patch, and Blizz is making great strides in improving the game. Despite that, however, I doubt this will bring me back to the game other than the occasional LAN party with friends. D3 still suffers from terrible hit detection, a reliance on the AH (which is just a chore), and monotony of repeat playthroughs thanks to the underwhelming randomization and low drop rates.

September brings us BF3:Armored Kill and Borderlands 2. Those will be more worth my limited gaming time.

Also...why am I not surprised to see Blizz timing this around the Guild Wars 2 release?
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I have to agree, far too much time is spent scouring the auction house for better items. With the exception of maybe 2 items I found myself in-game, my current gear has all come from the auction house :(
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Blizz went above and beyond with patch 1.04. Very solid.
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August 22nd, 2012 @ 7:17AM

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1.04 is great so far.

Found 2 great legendaries already last night - Fire walkers which sold for 24 million, and an uber dead man's legacy quiver with 300 dex, 300 vit, 16% attack speed, 10% crit, and 6% elemental arrow bonus damage

Already made paragon level 7.
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August 22nd, 2012 @ 7:33PM

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I'm glad Jay apologized for the comment. It was.. highly unprofessional, even if I also thought Brevik's original comments were a little disrespectful.
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August 22nd, 2012 @ 9:04PM

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I think it is stupid he had to apologize for comments he made on his personal Facebook page. It would be different if it were the Blizzard forums or even the Blizzard Facebook site. Totally stupid. He isn't a politician, he is a private individual.
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He damn well should have apologized. Not that it even begins to make it right when he insults the guy who created the game that he's working on.

He had the honor of working on a Diablo title and then ran it into the ground. He has no position or place to say a goddamn thing about anyone on the D1/2 development team after making that abortion.
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August 23rd, 2012 @ 8:24AM

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Politically correct BS in the gaming industry makes me sick. This is BlizzCon all over again with Corpsegrinder where Morhaime had to apologize. People need to get a grip on reality.
Charkoth
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No he shouldn't have apologized. The douchebag who helped design D1/D2 should have never said anything bad about Diablo 3 or the team that made, regardless of how true it may seem to us. After reading his article, Jay was right in what he said. I don't care how bad Diablo 3 is, it is really shitty to put down the entire team at a company you used to work for while saying how great you and your team are. Totally classless.

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I think Brevik's comments were disrespectful to Blizzard, but I also think Jay's comments were completely out of line. Neither should've engaged in this kind of discussion, but the one from Jay was just incredibly more toxic than the tone from Brevik.

Also, sure, it was on Facebook, but he was posting on another Blizzard employee's comment thread. Also, the profile was publicly viewable. It's not like this was on his own personal, private FB between friends. This was a discussion, in public, with coworkers about a former Blizzard employee. Even if you don't think that's morally worthy of an apology, can you at least admit that it's the smart PR decision?
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Smart PR decision? I didn't even know about this whole tiff until there was an apology posted. It got blown to a much bigger situation than it should have been. I completely agree with Brevik that Diablo 3 is a bit of a failure. I also completely agree with Jay saying "fuck that loser". I honestly don't think it would have hurt Blizzard to NOT post an apology. I think, if anything, it just brought more light to the situation and made it a bigger deal. Normal people could care less about this developer drama - they just want to play games. This whole tip toe PR bullshit is a waste of time. I'd respect the situation much more if he DIDN'T apologize. He isn't sorry for what he said and he shouldn't be. It's like Chris Brown saying he's sorry for beating a woman. I'd rather see someone willing to stick by what they believe and what they say than to apologize for PR reasons - makes me lose respect for them.
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Wilson should have just kept his mouth shut in both circumstances. As the project lead he definitely gave Blizzard a bad rep for acting so rash, as did many of the people commenting to Haga. If they were proud of their work they wouldn't have had the need to act so butthurt. After all, Haga was the guy that presented many of the "awesome" skills at Blizzcon like the ferrets, companion and monk pillar, only to be met with confounded silence.

I also think it was silly to force an apology (you know Mike made him do it) because it only served to bring this incident into light and make it even more pathetic.

In the end we're left with yet another meme to add to the unending list of faux pas from Wilson. Nowadays I can't play a single d3 session with my friends without somebody saying "F you loser" or doubling something at least once.

Facebook debauchery aside, I will say I'm having fun again playing D3 with the latest patch and appreciate all the effort Blizz put into it. It's nice to feel a sense of progression while slowly grinding gold to purchase the necessary items from the AH you need to progress.

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I agree completely justinr. I logged into D3 for the first time last night. Now that I have no gear and a good bit of Gold I'm not sure I want to head back in to the AH grind. I spent a bit of time looking around and it appears that with the improved Auctionhouse changes, good deals are much harder to find.

mad_dog1
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there was absolutely nothing wrong with breviks comment - he was asked for his honest opinion and he gave it.

what he said was objective and true. diablo3 is a good game but for blizzard standards a failure.

jay wilson on the other hand.. wow you get 10+ years of development time of a franchise that is legendary. still fail to deliver the expected standard but then insult one of the diablo godfathers because he was simply honest with his critizism?

wow.. just wow...
craig
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August 30th, 2012 @ 9:58PM

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I just beat Inferno Diablo. Months of work finally paid off!

http://i.imgur.com/ozTmO.jpg
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/csullivan-1878/hero/21089499
BiVRiP
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Congrats craig, that's very impressive. And that you have all 5 classes to level 60 *and* they're all hardcore as well...I am in awe of your greatness.

Now me on the other hand, if there was an achievement for the most deaths within a 15 minute window I would have been the first to earn that :)
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Impressive you beat it on HC. I had a lvl 26 HC char that died because I wasn't paying attention, and let it get burned by a wall of fire in act 3.

Right now I've got inferno beat with a DH and Monk in non-HC. My short-term goal is to get all classes to 60, and then long-term may consider getting all classes through inferno.

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Blazur-1670/

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Unbelievable...
Trickshot
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They could just not promote things to begin with that will never happen. But Blizzard apparently cannot do that *plays Starcraft: Ghost*.
ReaverSC
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December 29th, 2012 @ 2:47AM

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Really hate to say it buy D3 is definitely Blizzard`s first dud. I had to buy items off of the real money auction house just to get past the first act on inferno. Now that I think about it I really feel ripped off. D3 being so crappy was a big reason why I didn`t plop down any money for Mists of Pandaria.

I still have hope for Blizzard, but D3 really pissed me off. I even bought the collector`s edition also which makes me even more mad. No more money for Blizzard until they get their act together.

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As an outsider looking in Jay Wilson is an idiot. All my gamer friends can't stand him. He may be a good guy in person, but he's seemingly terrible at game development and has a bad image for himself. Good riddance...maybe the game will continue to improve in his absence.
Jurblethesky
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"He`s the coolest guy ever. I`ve never seen anyone so good at gameplay review/feedback. "

From a video of an old BlizzCon panel, where Jay said he enjoyed ganking, but that enough people didn`t that isn`t wasn`t going to be in Diablo 3, I always suspected he was a dude who was pushed towards some of the more casual features of Diablo 3 because of feedback, rather than some sort of "if we dumb it down, more people will buy it" conspiracy.

I think, at some point, however, games need frustrating aspects to them, because those frustrating aspects also somehow magically lead to longevity. Arcane, and incomparable combat-stat attributes? Makes deciding what`s an upgrade and what isn`t, difficult. The simple bigger numbers=better system of D3 makes deciding what item to use at a glance easier, but it also leads to very cookie-cutter gear-sets.

Easy respec? No more frustrating rerolling 5 necros to try 5 different builds. Also, is less time spent playing the game (nice for casuals, but horrible for the no-lifer crowd, which in Diablo is larger than in any of Blizz`s other games, I imagine).

Story Re-caps, and constant interaction with villains? Addresses complaints test players had with having no idea why they`re doing what they`re doing. Downside? Players who are paying attention feel like they`re watching a pre-schooler show on Nick Jr. where everything has to be reiterated.

Tongue-in-cheek writing, less serious tone, and artwork? I`m not sure you can really blame this on whatever audience they were testing, the lack of Gothic Atmosphere relative to D1 and D2 is mind-boggling. Unless the testers were 6,and were scared by more realistic artwork.

The Auction House? People complained about having to use outside forums, or spam chat to trade. Unfortunately, it turns out the Auction House is too good at loot distribution so nothing ever good drops (because everyone is equipped with good gear thanks to the AH), and the game ends up feeling like Auction House Tycoon if you want the better items.

So that`s my take on it. I might be completely wrong, and I really wish the video game industry had behind-the-scenes tell-all documentaries and books like the movie industry sometimes does.

But, honestly, I think at some point you have to ignore the idiots in your audience, because they don`t know what`s good for them.
Nebuchadnezzar
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January 17th, 2013 @ 5:01PM

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I couldn't pick anyone better than Jay to have gone through a game and pointed out what sucked or what was good and fixed it/changed it. He did so well on everything I worked with him on such as StarCraft II campaign, Ghost, Burning Crusade, etc. I'm good at bashing games but it was really hard to come up with anything he had missed as he reviews games.
Jurblethesky
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January 17th, 2013 @ 5:21PM

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Oh, and actual current gameplay discussion:

As a DH you can more or less create your own country on in the dueling map, with sentries, caltrops, and spike traps. Some guard weasels are also possible. While this strategy lacks mobility, when the other 3 players running around walk into your country, it leads to their hilarious demise. Also, being invincible and invisible is a major boon.
ReaverSC
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January 17th, 2013 @ 5:55PM

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He`s getting a tone of hate over at reddit right now:

http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/16rr9g/jay_wilson_leaving_diablo_3_good_riddance/

I highly doubt that all of the problems in D3 are his fault, but after a certain point, I really just didn`t have fun with the game anymore. I found the loot to be extremely boring, and even after they overhauled it, it still was lacking. There was also a lack of variety I felt. There`s only so many times you can go through Act III on inferno before you decide to call it a day.

I still have faith in Blizzard, but man, D3 kind of sucked.
Blazer
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January 17th, 2013 @ 6:30PM

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I couldn't pick anyone better than Jay to have gone through a game and pointed out what sucked or what was good and fixed it/changed it. He did so well on everything I worked with him on such as StarCraft II campaign, Ghost, Burning Crusade, etc. I'm good at bashing games but it was really hard to come up with anything he had missed as he reviews games.

I don't believe it.

Jay Wilson was the clown who decided the game difficulty should be doubled when his best players struggled to succeed. Believe me when I say I enjoy a challenge in games, but regenerating health on elites, enrage timers, the auction house, the redundancy and overlap in skills, the homogenization of attributes...none of that crap leads to an enjoyable gameplay experience.

You know damn well I've always respected Blizzard. But Diablo 3 was a fuck up in the most extreme sense. They dropped the ball on this game. Whether it was tainted by the corruption of Activision, or Jay Wilson and his misguided intentions, us peon's will never know. But there's no denying it was a huge letdown for many and was plagued with flaws from the day of its inception. It was released incomplete and they failed to deliver on their promises. The auction house trivializes much of the charm of the game and encourages pay to win. And in my entire lifetime of gaming I've never seen any game receive so many drastic changes in such a short timespan. It smacks of terrible leadership and vision.

If the game was any good from the beginning then the president of your company wouldn't have had to give his apologetic speech. As the game directory Jay Wilson deserves to be a fall guy. Look at the amount of respect Wilson garners among the community vs. someone like Dustin Browder. That's a man that seems to legitimately cares for the his games and has the good public image to support his cause. If Wilson was at all proud of his game he wouldn't have defensively attacked David Brevik in such a childish way.

Again...good riddance. D3 was one of the games I was equally most looking forward to and most disappointed with.
Jurblethesky
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January 17th, 2013 @ 10:42PM

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Well, the fact that the AH totally changed the psychological dynamic of the game is something they apparently didn`t anticipate. I`ve seen Bill Roeper in an interview say that internal reactions to the AH are `mixed`, and either Jay Wilson or Wyatt Cheng in the Reddit AMA from a while back said that the AH hadn`t affected gameplay internally due to far smaller amount of people playing.

In the newest patch, they`re adding tons of BoA craftable items, with the ability to roll higher than found items, to specifically address the fact that the game feels like AH Tycoon, instead of a Diablo game. It`s a shame they couldn`t have rolled that idea out 6 months earlier.
Jurblethesky
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January 17th, 2013 @ 11:18PM

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Shit, I think in the comment I left here (hasn`t been approved yet), I said Bill Roeper instead of Mike Morhaime.
Jurblethesky
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January 18th, 2013 @ 8:45PM

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Final comment before another 8 years of occasionally visiting and lurking:

Jay`s twitter now says "Game Director @ Blizzard on announced game." So, unless he hasn`t updated that bit since D3 was announced:

WARCRAFT 4, YES, FINALLY?!
Jurblethesky
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January 18th, 2013 @ 9:33PM

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Oh, and before I disappear into lurking again, I guess I should mention that this guy:
http://www.expectnothing.com/?page=profile&profile=979 died of cancer back in Aug, 2009. He was a member of my War3/WoW guild since back in 2003. I knew he posted here (I think only knew this site existed because of him, actually), but not sure if any of you knew he died.
Wootah
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January 19th, 2013 @ 8:46AM

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I think people were way too mean to him in the thread.
Pardo taking the blame is pretty man of him too.

Ultimately, though the entire design of very slow progress and very hard monsters would have been MUCH better recieved if all the classes were roughly equal in the slow progression grind. Instead you had a few classes far outshining others (DH vs Barbs) and it really hurt the game...

Now if they had a D2 model where you could reset the ladder, and fixed the bugs, you could have continual races of progression. Of course this doesn't fit the AH model at all, as you would either have to separate gold which is stored account wide into characters in the current ladder season, or not, either having huge ramifications on the AH.
Blazer
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January 19th, 2013 @ 10:53PM

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Wow, that's terrible Jurblethesky. Sad that just 6 months prior he posted about him being the unluckiest guy here for having cancer, among other things. Cancer is scary.
Wootah
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August 14th, 2013 @ 10:55AM

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Wow a new expansion! I am excited. Played a little last week. Hopefully the story isn't to tacky after killing ALL the prime evils in a single game. What is there left to do?

Is anybody else's browser having trouble loading this thread? Might need a new thread.
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August 14th, 2013 @ 11:33AM

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I really hope this expansions adds some depth to the game, and not merely a new character and level. Also hoping that new characters aren't mere clones of existing ones.

I'm assuming Mathael will be the villian?

Edit: Also, for some reason this thread is outputting all your users in the comments.

EDITED: 2013-08-14 12:23:44
mad_dog1
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August 21st, 2013 @ 10:07AM

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reaper of souls looks kinda bland.

the crusader looks fun because of d2 nostalgia and its nice they finally used less candyass colors.

beside this its kinda embarrassing that they announce a loot system as something new and exiting. an indie game like path of exile surpassed d3 in almost every aspect beside the graphic quality. the skilltrees are still boring and dont let yourself connect with your character.

it somehow obvious that vivendi wanted blizzard games to shift away from the core gamer target audience and broaden it to everybody and their grandmother.

Blazer
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February 25th, 2014 @ 4:09PM

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This patch is amazing and seems 100% dedicated to make the game more fun. Just awesome Blizz, and kudos to them for making this available to all players. It seems like a wonderful enhancement.
jdLordHelmet
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February 25th, 2014 @ 6:23PM

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The new patch makes Diablo 3 the game it should have been from the start. The AH and the bad loot system ruined the game, and with those gone, it's going to be amazing. The expansion is just icing on the cake.

I'm pretty sure I am on record defending the AH before the game was released, somewhere up in this gargantuan thread. I was wrong, and the system was horrible. Making items BoA except to trade with people in the game when it dropped frees them up to allow much more/better loot to drop without fear of inflating the market or scammer item sellers. Those were the ostensible reasons for the AH in the first place.
Blazer
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February 26th, 2014 @ 5:52AM

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I'm convinced they amped all the numbers. My wiz at level 58 had a bunch of godly gear on standby. Within just an hour of playing last night all of this gear was obsolete. Monsters were more difficult but yellows were dropping constantly. 3 legendaries dropped for us. And for a change we were all sticking together to combat the challenge instead of rushing through the game and facepalming it with ease.

All in all the game feels much more fun and these are great changes. I'm noticing tons of visual updates as well with regard to spell animations and monster deaths. The arachnids in act 3 were getting throw all over the place as we blasted through them.

Keybindings were reset as were any achievements related to boss defeats. Also the AH doesn't seem to be available yet. Anybody know what will happen with unsold items being held in AH limbo once it closes? Will they be lost forever or returned to our stash?
Macavity
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February 27th, 2014 @ 4:38AM

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Nebu, please make a new Diablo 3 thread. This one is soooo old, messes up people`s browswers, and should be retired.

More important, is there going to be a ExpectNothing clan or something? Could be fun!
Wootah
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March 22nd, 2014 @ 1:05PM

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Sounds like there is an EN group. I played with a Few people from here in the past. Hopefully with the group we get a lot more going.

And yeah this thread is super broken expect nothing
DarkShear
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March 22nd, 2014 @ 2:04PM

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This thread is SUPER long.
Charkoth
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March 24th, 2014 @ 6:19AM

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I've been having a blast. I'm up to Paragon Lvl92 and I quit playing D3 before paragon existed.

I also banked a good 320 million gold on the AH before it went down by buying and reselling items as people scrambled to offload them to the AH.

Can't wait for RoS for the week I'll get to play it before Elder Scrolls.
Reaver18
Peon

March 24th, 2014 @ 10:48AM

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Man, I was so disappointed when D3 came out and there was no knight/crusader/paladin. For a game about fighting demons in hell, I thought that class should be a staple. It was also my main in D2.

How do I get an invite to the expectnothing or kali compton group by the way?
BloodClot
Kali Compton

March 24th, 2014 @ 4:35PM

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I played way too much since it came out. Almost solely on my Demon Hunter. Paragon 312. I have 92 levels since the 2.0 patch came out.

I have my own clan of close friends that I started, but I would be interested if you started a community.


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