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Thursday, June 1st, 2017SUGGEST NEWS

Thursday Politics
Posted by: Nebuchadnezzar on June 1st, 2017 @ 5:39PM

LIBERALS ARE LOSING THEIR SHIT. SO FUNNY. 8 more years.

Eat it Globalist Hippies: President Trump Announces U.S. Will Exit Paris Climate Deal. He did say though he'd broker a better deal that doesn't hurt us. Every deal they made prior always is at the expense of America and benefits other countries which liberal globalists live because they hate America. Every protest you see every flag BUT America. America represents the Trump supporters now because they're the last group that gives a shit about America besides the NON POLITICAL GROUPS.


Oh thank god he's gonna replace it just like he did with Obamacare. oh wait.

Surelog
- 2017-06-01 14:05:51


He's waiting for more votes. haha. Besides was sticking with Obama care the better decision?

Nebuchadnezzar
- 2017-06-01 16:01:18


No need to negotiate something better. Just pull out and stay out.

Does anyone really think that China, Russia, India, etc would have honored the agreement. They will pay lip service to compliance, submit bogus numbers, and chastise the U.S. for any perceived non-compliance. This would lead to two outcomes: 1) With a massive carbon fuel user cutting demand, the costs for carbon-based fuels such as petroleum, LNG, and coal will be cheaper for the aforementioned countries. 2) The U.S. would spend massive sums on alternative energy projects leading to higher cost of living and manufacturing costs domestically.

What a win-win for our competitors. Lower energy costs for them, higher costs for the U.S., and an agreement they could claim we are breaking in order to sway opinion against us.

Good riddance.

BlueFalcon
- 2017-06-01 18:37:55


You guys do realize that the Paris agreement was non-binding right? As in there are no legal ramifications or penalties if you don't make your target numbers. It's a political no-brainer - you have nothing to lose by signing up and choosing to give it lip service.

And even if it were binding, what ever happened to leading by example? What a stark contrast to the scientific, political, and diplomatic impetus America displayed back in the 70's and 80's when it came to CFCs and its effects on the atmosphere. This culminated in the overwhelming international backing of the Montreal Protocol, a land mark treaty.

BiVRiP
- 2017-06-01 22:06:52

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Surelog
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June 1st, 2017 @ 2:05PM

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Oh thank god he's gonna replace it just like he did with Obamacare. oh wait.
Nebuchadnezzar
The King

June 1st, 2017 @ 4:01PM

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He's waiting for more votes. haha. Besides was sticking with Obama care the better decision?
BlueFalcon
Word To Your Mom

June 1st, 2017 @ 6:37PM

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Filth-a-delphia
Posts: 1556
No need to negotiate something better. Just pull out and stay out.

Does anyone really think that China, Russia, India, etc would have honored the agreement. They will pay lip service to compliance, submit bogus numbers, and chastise the U.S. for any perceived non-compliance. This would lead to two outcomes: 1) With a massive carbon fuel user cutting demand, the costs for carbon-based fuels such as petroleum, LNG, and coal will be cheaper for the aforementioned countries. 2) The U.S. would spend massive sums on alternative energy projects leading to higher cost of living and manufacturing costs domestically.

What a win-win for our competitors. Lower energy costs for them, higher costs for the U.S., and an agreement they could claim we are breaking in order to sway opinion against us.

Good riddance.
BiVRiP
General

June 1st, 2017 @ 10:06PM

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Canada
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You guys do realize that the Paris agreement was non-binding right? As in there are no legal ramifications or penalties if you don't make your target numbers. It's a political no-brainer - you have nothing to lose by signing up and choosing to give it lip service.

And even if it were binding, what ever happened to leading by example? What a stark contrast to the scientific, political, and diplomatic impetus America displayed back in the 70's and 80's when it came to CFCs and its effects on the atmosphere. This culminated in the overwhelming international backing of the Montreal Protocol, a land mark treaty.
BlueFalcon
Word To Your Mom

June 2nd, 2017 @ 5:01AM

Registered:
2003-04-27
Location:
Filth-a-delphia
Posts: 1556
Biv, I can turn your argument around and say, "since it's non-binding, and largely symbolic, what's the harm in pulling out?"

I think for political purposes, the left in this country would stupidly try to adhere to the agreement while our foreign competitors laughed. I believe China-Russia would pay their media shills to spout environmental propaganda to cause internal pressure in the U.S. to conform.

Banning CFCs is one thing, drastically reducing carbon based fuel usage is many orders of magnitude more difficult and expensive It's our entire way of life.
BiVRiP
General

June 2nd, 2017 @ 3:45PM

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I'd argue the harm is that it hurts your country's image politically and scientifically. Trump has marketed himself as the "best" deal-maker. He could have said yes and then put forth his own policy and timeline that addresses the spirit of the treaty while still being economically practical. By not signing he has placed America along side Syria and Nicaragua as the only countries to reject the accord. Apparently even North Korea was on board. North Korea!

With respect to China, it may be producing twice as much CO2 as the US but in terms of emissions per capita they clock in at less than half that as compared to the US (SOURCE) - not bad since considering they have more than 4x the population. And with just a cursory search I found this report - LINK - a lot of info to take in but I direct you Figure 13 on page 22...China has invested 2.3x as much as the US into renewable energy. Then there's this article (LINK) which indicates China is investing over $360 billion by 2020.

And looking HERE, both China and India are on track to not only meet but exceed the goals defined under the Paris Accord.

So if you ask me, if there's one country that's dragging it's feet, its the US.

EDIT: Fixed hyperlinks.

EDITED: 2017-06-02 15:49:42


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