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Wednesday, December 28th, 2016SUGGEST NEWS

While my site is still up: Shotguns?
Posted by: Nebuchadnezzar on December 28th, 2016 @ 4:23PM

Never had a gun in my life. In California, they don't even let you mention guns or that you have one or you're some nutjob. Blue state f___try.

Best shotgun that's legal in California?

Best handgun

FOR POOR PEOPLE WHO ARE IN MASSIVE CREDIT cARD DEPT.

Probably won't get one, but who knows.


Best shotgun: Mossberg 500
Second place: Remington 870

A good handgun is a Smith and Wesson M&P 9mm, but there are tons out there that are good.

EDITED: 2016-12-24 19:05:25

EDITED: 2016-12-24 19:07:13

Briggs
- 2016-12-24 18:59:29


A gun and all the accompanying costs (safe, locks, lessons, practice) seem like an awful big cost for someone in self admitted "MASSIVE CREDIT CARD DEBT."

Noss
- 2016-12-28 08:16:58

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Briggs
Marine

December 24th, 2016 @ 6:59PM

Registered:
2003-09-08
Location:
Raleigh, NC
Posts: 112
Best shotgun: Mossberg 500
Second place: Remington 870

A good handgun is a Smith and Wesson M&P 9mm, but there are tons out there that are good.

EDITED: 2016-12-24 19:05:25

EDITED: 2016-12-24 19:07:13
BlueFalcon
Word To Your Mom

December 25th, 2016 @ 2:33AM

Registered:
2003-04-27
Location:
Filth-a-delphia
Posts: 1557
Take the time to read these two articles. They provide a nice summary of the considerations involved in choosing a shotgun and pistol. The author of these articles has also written a number of other pieces on the same site. They delve into things like ballistics, ammunition, and how to carry a pistol:

Shotgun article
Handgun article

The shotguns that Briggs mentioned are good. Stick to 12 gauge. There are a ton of different pistol calibers, but the big three are 9mm, .45 ACP, and .40 S&W. I recommend you go with a 9mm pistol. The ammo is less expensive than .45 ACP and the alleged “stopping power” advantage of the .45 ACP has been overtaken by improvements in 9mm rounds. I really wouldn’t consider any other calibers. I think .380 is too light and .40 S&W, though it’s popular in law enforcement, is more expensive than 9mm and less common.

Personally, I prefer Glock pistols. However, the ammunition capacity advantage of a Glock 17 (17 round mag) or Glock 19 (15 round mag) is negated by CA’s restrictions on magazines above 10 rounds. You might consider going with a subcompact pistol like the Smith and Wesson M+P Shield 9mm, Springfield XDS 9mm, or Glock 43 (also a 9mm). These would generally be pistols for concealed carry, but because of the magazine restrictions you could have them do double duty as a home defense gun.

If you do purchase a firearm, remember that there’s a balance between safe storage and having the gun ready to go when you need it. This is especially true in a home defense setting. If you have intruders, you need to be able to get to your gun quickly. Not only that, but it must be ready for employment. On the other hand, you have a young teenagers and a child in the house. You can’t just have a loaded pistol or shotgun laying around.

For reasons of safety, I would store firearms in an accessible safe. For obvious reasons, a shotgun requires a larger safe than a pistol. The consequence of this is that 1) a shotgun safe costs more than a pistol safe and 2) the locations you can put the safe are more limited.

My arrangement is to have a loaded pistol kept in a holster that has a retention device. The pistol is then placed in a safe which is on a shelf in a closet about 6’ off the ground. The safe is bolted into a stud. I also store a flashlight in the safe (assuming that I might need to use the pistol in the dark).

The last piece of advice I can give is to take lessons, especially if you buy a pistol. You need to know how your pistol functions, how to grip, aim, and shoot the pistol as well as how to clear malfunctions and clean your gun. You need to learn range procedures for when you practice. You also need to learn when you are legally justified in employing a pistol against a person. If the instructor is doing his job, he will inculcate safe habits.


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BloodClot
Kali Compton

December 27th, 2016 @ 3:48PM

Registered:
2003-03-26
Location:
Southern OC
Posts: 629
I currently don't own any guns, but I have lived in Idaho, Colorado, and Utah where my dad and almost everyone I knew have/had guns. Most of my friends have guns here in CA, and many of them have CCW.

This should go without saying, but...

Make sure you and your daughter/son take gun safety courses and get out and fire that thing a lot. Make sure you are comfortable holding and firing it. Yes, this seems like common sense, but I have known people who buy a gun and leave it on the shelf like they are going to one day just pick it up and be comfortable knowing how to use it.

Make sure you have a gun safe/trigger locks. Accidents SUCK, kids finding your guns and playing with it suck, but these are all things that happen. Which leads me back to the first thing, gun safety classes for the kids.

I am not a genius, and I am stating the obvious, but it needs to be said.

Noss
Peon

December 28th, 2016 @ 8:16AM

Registered:
2004-02-10
Location:
Canada
Posts: 1344
A gun and all the accompanying costs (safe, locks, lessons, practice) seem like an awful big cost for someone in self admitted "MASSIVE CREDIT CARD DEBT."
Wootah
non-leet

December 28th, 2016 @ 8:39AM

Registered:
2003-05-16
Location:
Idaho
Posts: 1807
Bloodclot, Are you from that area or just have some family from that Area? I'm from utah, and live in Idaho and LOVE the mountain west. Lived in Cali/Ohio/Brazil for about a 3rd of my life but I don't think I will want to leave the mountain west anymore..

Nebu, there are retreats that are gun vacations. you can do crazy things at them and get training. Some in my family go to a place called Front Sight based out of Nevada. They do all sorts of gun training there. I think they even have things where you can drop your kids off (not sure on that though).

Their website is Ghetto, but you can see the courses listed here:
https://www.frontsight.com/Courses.asp
Some of the courses are pricey, although I know they offer membership discounts.


EDITED: 2016-12-28 08:40:19
BloodClot
Kali Compton

December 28th, 2016 @ 10:08AM

Registered:
2003-03-26
Location:
Southern OC
Posts: 629
I was born in Greeley, Co. I moved to Idaho when I was about 10. I lived in Rupert and Heyburn until I was about 17. I then moved to Salt Lake City, and lived there a year. I then moved out to CA and have lived here since.

So I went to 4 Different High Schools, in 3 different states, and 3 of those high Schools were in my Senior year. I got around in my later school years. I am now 47 though, so that was over 30 years ago.

Dang I am old.

When my youngest graduates from High School in 2 1/2 years, we will be moving. I am tired of California. not so much California itself, but the people here. I am NOT a beach person, and I consider myself conservative. When I moved to CA, Orange County was very conservative, it really isn't that way any more. I am looking to move back to one of those places I have already lived.

I would have moved already, but I don't want to put my daughter through the moving that I did. I don't blame my parents because I am the one that approached my parents when I was 17 and told them I wanted to move since I hated seeing my dad work 3 jobs at once to make ends meet when there were places where he could get a better job in CA.

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