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Thursday, December 8th, 2016SUGGEST NEWS

Today's Politics
Posted by: Nebuchadnezzar on December 8th, 2016 @ 10:48AM

Nebu, you are part of the problem:
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/12/armed-man-arrested-claimed-he-was-investigating-pizzagate-conspiracy/

You have joined Rowdy Roddy Piper in the nut-job category if you think that thousands of regular people working at dozens of major news outlets are conspiring to cover-up some fictitious Clinton-related pedophile scandal - and this is more likely than some a-hole in his basement making shit up and posting it on an Australian fake-news website.

It is seriously time for a reality check man.

keepersmith
- 2016-12-05 19:30:39


This so-called Pizzagate is a bunch of nonsense and hysteria.

BlueFalcon
- 2016-12-06 01:53:45


Guys, I have some very disturbing news to share that is being *completely* ignored by the MSM. Check this out...

Fact: Hitler, Mussolini, and Stalin were evil men who committed many atrocities.
Fact: They all had mustaches.
Fact: All men who have mustaches are evil and are probably doing something despicable right now.

Proof: Just google men with mustaches and you''ll see thousands of images. Pick any one - they all look shady.

Why is no one talking about this?!?!?

BiVRiP
- 2016-12-06 02:32:13


we can't stop talking about pizza gate because someone like rrp showed up there with a gun to investigate for himself and now fake news has become real news

killer6600
- 2016-12-06 08:58:50


I 100% believe PizzaGate is real. Major pedo elite rings have already been exposed in the UK leadership, and the catholic church obviously. Then there was Bill Clinton and his loleta express. Those are all FACTS.
Then weiner is all texting a 15 year old girl. and his wife is Hillary's #2.

Nebuchadnezzar
- 2016-12-06 09:15:22


You know, I've never trusted mustaches...but now seeing those facts, I know just how evil they really are!

Dragonlor
- 2016-12-06 10:16:47


BlueFalcon and Keepersmith,

Alex Jones supposedly says PizzaGate is a diversion: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pA65Upo_AEM
I haven`t watched the video though.

I originally doubted PizzaGate but the more the controlled mainstream media (aka. fake news) deny PizzaGate and call it "fake news", the more it starts to give credit to something real going on. Who knows what exactly is going on. Those in power are always doing something crooked.

Donald Trump has recently said several times he uses Twitter instead of going through the fake news mainstream media because they want to twist his words.
http://www.infowars.com/trump-i-wouldnt-have-to-tweet-so-much-if-media-wasnt-biased/
http://www.infowars.com/trump-explains-why-he-tweets-so-much/

It`s Orwellian Doublethink how the mainstream media (fake news) is refering honest news sites as "fake news".

ivehadnoduisforthreeweeks
- 2016-12-06 02:33:51


Been coming to this site for a decade now and I get that you voted for Trump. I can accept that but the Fake News has to stop. Someone almost was shot over this one.

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/12/05/504404675/man-fires-rifle-inside-d-c-pizzeria-cites-fictitious-conspiracy-theories

You`re better than this :)

clyon
- 2016-12-05 17:31:51


Pizzagate may or may not be real. I`m not going to pretend to know. But people who are jumping on the "Fake News" bandwagon have to stop and think. You`re jumping on this bandwagon because the media basically told you to. Sure, Pizzagate may be an illustration of confirmation bias but so is the whole "Fake News" gig. Where were all of you when Harry Reid spread the nasty news about Romney not paying his taxes? It was a lie but it got coverage in the media and hurt Romney but nobody cared then and nobody cares now. And that`s just a drop in the ocean of lies we`ve been told over the years. Do not forget that Wikileaks (with their impeccable record) exposed the media. Don`t believe Pizzagate if you don`t want to but don`t go running into the arms of the media either. To them, you`re just a useful idiot.

The Fu
- 2016-12-06 11:06:32


I watched the Alex Jones thing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pA65Upo_AEM

Alex makes a good point. It looks like some details of Pizzagate are off. If the details were 100% on then the mainstream media would just hide the story entirely like they do with all the other child sex rings of the ruling elites. He said the ruling elites have tons of confirmed child sex and murder rings and Pizzagate is focusing on one little pizza parlor and ignoring everything else.

The whatever details 4chan got wrong about PIzzagate, the mainstream media is going to use it to attack the alternative media. He says he smells a honeypot and a trap.

ivehadnoduisforthreeweeks
- 2016-12-06 21:14:37


You can say its all bull and theres nothing to it but the instagram photo saves from these freaks where theres a baby picture posted and a reply "#babyyum" is very disturbing and then other hashtags they put on it like "#murder" next to a childs picture.......dude if you posted a baby pic on your facebook and some creepy fucking hipster had made that comment you would want them investigated would you not? its easy to live in your peaceful little world where everything is 9 to 5 nothing out of the ordinary ever happens but there are c130`s right now flying out of a florida airbase loaded with kidnapped children to saudi arabia where they go to the highest paying oil sheik to be used as a sex slave, murdered and or tortured for fun. You gotta wake up. Sandusky was raping boys in the bathroom at penn state at high noon tuesday thru friday.

RowdyRoddyPiper
- 2016-12-06 18:57:45


I think you`re getting your panties in a twist over a silly recent buzzword that has caught on. There`s nothing really new going on, media has biases all along the range from farthest left dirty hippie to farthest right RRP with a handful of reasonably unbiased floating around the mid point. The articles and information that the media pumps out on the extremes of both sides contain a lot of false, fabricated, twisted facts or no facts at all.

I think fake news is an apt descriptor, just rejecting it out of hand is kind of stupid. We shouldn`t be trying to make everything so simple and black/white, that`s not what the world is like. People calling everything they don`t agree with `fake news` is stupid. But saying that all the `fake news` is just an attempt to discredit what you already agree with isn`t that different from what those people are doing in the first place. Some `fake news` is aptly described as such and it`s not just stuff that might disagree with your politics. There`s also a ton of just really shitty fluff type news I would certainly call fake, ads masquerading as news that`s fake. There are a lot of non-political agendas being pushed as news that can all earn the same title.

It seems like everyone just wants what they already believe to be confirmed and so they go looking for information to confirm it and reject everything else. Well guess what, in the age of the internet everyone can confirm everything they already agree with because the internet has everything. People will comb through huge amounts of stuff to find the one little tidbit that happens to agree with them and ignore the mountains of information telling them "NO YOU`RE WRONG. IDIOT!" It seems like nobody really gives a shit about finding the truth, because that might risk popping their precious safe space / bubble.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77GGn-E607E

You have to dig into each issue / event from multiple sources and really honestly try to look at it from a different perspective and search for what`s true not what`s comforting. Don`t just go into your echo chamber and let them drop a deuce down your throat. Why the hell do you think a bunch of us keep coming here...

Oh and that Pizzagate stuff sounds like grade A bullplop.

Noss
- 2016-12-06 16:50:10

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clyon
Peon

December 5th, 2016 @ 5:31PM

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Been coming to this site for a decade now and I get that you voted for Trump. I can accept that but the Fake News has to stop. Someone almost was shot over this one.

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/12/05/504404675/man-fires-rifle-inside-d-c-pizzeria-cites-fictitious-conspiracy-theories

You`re better than this :)
keepersmith
Marine

December 5th, 2016 @ 7:30PM

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Nebu, you are part of the problem:
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/12/armed-man-arrested-claimed-he-was-investigating-pizzagate-conspiracy/

You have joined Rowdy Roddy Piper in the nut-job category if you think that thousands of regular people working at dozens of major news outlets are conspiring to cover-up some fictitious Clinton-related pedophile scandal - and this is more likely than some a-hole in his basement making shit up and posting it on an Australian fake-news website.

It is seriously time for a reality check man.
BlueFalcon
Word To Your Mom

December 6th, 2016 @ 1:53AM

Registered:
2003-04-27
Location:
Filth-a-delphia
Posts: 1555
This so-called Pizzagate is a bunch of nonsense and hysteria.
BiVRiP
General

December 6th, 2016 @ 2:32AM

Registered:
2003-05-11
Location:
Canada
Posts: 2345
Guys, I have some very disturbing news to share that is being *completely* ignored by the MSM. Check this out...

Fact: Hitler, Mussolini, and Stalin were evil men who committed many atrocities.
Fact: They all had mustaches.
Fact: All men who have mustaches are evil and are probably doing something despicable right now.

Proof: Just google men with mustaches and you''ll see thousands of images. Pick any one - they all look shady.

Why is no one talking about this?!?!?
ivehadnoduisforthreeweeks
Peon

December 6th, 2016 @ 2:33AM

Registered:
2007-03-03
Location:
Posts: 432
BlueFalcon and Keepersmith,

Alex Jones supposedly says PizzaGate is a diversion: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pA65Upo_AEM
I haven`t watched the video though.

I originally doubted PizzaGate but the more the controlled mainstream media (aka. fake news) deny PizzaGate and call it "fake news", the more it starts to give credit to something real going on. Who knows what exactly is going on. Those in power are always doing something crooked.

Donald Trump has recently said several times he uses Twitter instead of going through the fake news mainstream media because they want to twist his words.
http://www.infowars.com/trump-i-wouldnt-have-to-tweet-so-much-if-media-wasnt-biased/
http://www.infowars.com/trump-explains-why-he-tweets-so-much/

It`s Orwellian Doublethink how the mainstream media (fake news) is refering honest news sites as "fake news".
ivehadnoduisforthreeweeks
Peon

December 6th, 2016 @ 2:36AM

Registered:
2007-03-03
Location:
Posts: 432
BivRip, go to Google Image search.

Enter this: "Madeleine McCann" Podesta

killer6600
Marine

December 6th, 2016 @ 8:58AM

Registered:
2007-06-16
Location:
canada
Posts: 1692
we can't stop talking about pizza gate because someone like rrp showed up there with a gun to investigate for himself and now fake news has become real news
Nebuchadnezzar
The King

December 6th, 2016 @ 9:15AM

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Irvine, CA
Posts: 3947
I 100% believe PizzaGate is real. Major pedo elite rings have already been exposed in the UK leadership, and the catholic church obviously. Then there was Bill Clinton and his loleta express. Those are all FACTS.
Then weiner is all texting a 15 year old girl. and his wife is Hillary's #2.
clyon
Peon

December 6th, 2016 @ 9:49AM

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Location:
Seattle
Posts: 3
Other pedophiles exist therefore this provably fake news story is real? That doesn`t follow.

Dragonlor
Marine

December 6th, 2016 @ 10:16AM

Registered:
2003-08-31
Location:
California
Posts: 803
You know, I've never trusted mustaches...but now seeing those facts, I know just how evil they really are!
Nebuchadnezzar
The King

December 6th, 2016 @ 10:56AM

Registered:
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Location:
Irvine, CA
Posts: 3947
This fake news shit is totall bullshit. It's just the same liberal MSM (main stream media) who were proven wrong with the elction and are all literally ran by HRC, coming up with a way to explain why they were so wrong. "fake news"
People are smarter than this. The Demos aren't, but the rest of us are, haha.
The Fu
Peon

December 6th, 2016 @ 11:06AM

Registered:
2004-02-08
Location:
Northeast USA
Posts: 61
Pizzagate may or may not be real. I`m not going to pretend to know. But people who are jumping on the "Fake News" bandwagon have to stop and think. You`re jumping on this bandwagon because the media basically told you to. Sure, Pizzagate may be an illustration of confirmation bias but so is the whole "Fake News" gig. Where were all of you when Harry Reid spread the nasty news about Romney not paying his taxes? It was a lie but it got coverage in the media and hurt Romney but nobody cared then and nobody cares now. And that`s just a drop in the ocean of lies we`ve been told over the years. Do not forget that Wikileaks (with their impeccable record) exposed the media. Don`t believe Pizzagate if you don`t want to but don`t go running into the arms of the media either. To them, you`re just a useful idiot.
BloodClot
Kali Compton

December 6th, 2016 @ 11:15AM

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Location:
Southern OC
Posts: 618
I don't THINK it is real, but I am not 100% on it not being real. There are a lot of things that are too coincidental. Even if it is fake, the pizza place owner and Podesta have done things that are odd. I wouldn't take my family to eat at that Pizza place, that's for sure.

So while it may not be true, the odd music group he has had play at Comet on "family night" and odd art work. It doesn't make him a pedo, but it does make him an easy target.

Same for Pedosta (yeah, that was a typo, but I am keeping it :) ). The art collection, the people he associates with and code words are off putting, How do you play domino's on cheese/pasta? I'm not saying he is a pedo, but he too did make himself an easy target.

So again, not 100% that it is not true.
BlueFalcon
Word To Your Mom

December 6th, 2016 @ 12:17PM

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Filth-a-delphia
Posts: 1555
Not all "fake news" is created equal. You can't lump it all together. Some "fake news" stories are, in fact, true incidents that the main stream media doesn't want to cover (generally things that undermine leftist or social progressive narratives). The term "fake news" is an unfortunate label that was created and perpetuated by agencies like the Washington Post.

As for Pizzagate, this is definitely real fake news. By that I mean, fake as hell. It's basically an out of control crowd-sourced Reddit thread. The leaps in logic are incredible. I followed it when it first broke, and it was easy to dismiss. It's a bunch of self-congratulatory autists slapping themselves on the back for making increasingly wild assertions.

Oh, and this kills me:

ivehadnoduisforthreeweeks writes -

"BlueFalcon and Keepersmith,

"Alex Jones supposedly says PizzaGate is a diversion: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pA65Upo_AEM
I haven`t watched the video though."

So let me get this straight...Alex Jones, who is a known purveyor of wild conspiracy theories allegedly says that PizzaGate is a diversion. But you can't even be bothered with watching the video. So I'm to accept your hearsay statement (presumably gleaned from the video description) regarding the contents of a video produced by a wingnut?

EDITED: 2016-12-06 12:18:53
killer6600
Marine

December 6th, 2016 @ 2:42PM

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canada
Posts: 1692
the pedophile ring run out of the basement, of the pizzeria that doesn't have a basement (shoo facts shoo!), is now being claimed as a distraction.

alex jones is who you want to believe bluefalcon. he's digging deep to find the real answers to things like what 'they' are putting in the water to make all the frogs gay. i challenge anyone to watch cnn or fox news and see if they mention how all the frogs are gay.
Noss
Peon

December 6th, 2016 @ 4:50PM

Registered:
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Canada
Posts: 1342
I think you`re getting your panties in a twist over a silly recent buzzword that has caught on. There`s nothing really new going on, media has biases all along the range from farthest left dirty hippie to farthest right RRP with a handful of reasonably unbiased floating around the mid point. The articles and information that the media pumps out on the extremes of both sides contain a lot of false, fabricated, twisted facts or no facts at all.

I think fake news is an apt descriptor, just rejecting it out of hand is kind of stupid. We shouldn`t be trying to make everything so simple and black/white, that`s not what the world is like. People calling everything they don`t agree with `fake news` is stupid. But saying that all the `fake news` is just an attempt to discredit what you already agree with isn`t that different from what those people are doing in the first place. Some `fake news` is aptly described as such and it`s not just stuff that might disagree with your politics. There`s also a ton of just really shitty fluff type news I would certainly call fake, ads masquerading as news that`s fake. There are a lot of non-political agendas being pushed as news that can all earn the same title.

It seems like everyone just wants what they already believe to be confirmed and so they go looking for information to confirm it and reject everything else. Well guess what, in the age of the internet everyone can confirm everything they already agree with because the internet has everything. People will comb through huge amounts of stuff to find the one little tidbit that happens to agree with them and ignore the mountains of information telling them "NO YOU`RE WRONG. IDIOT!" It seems like nobody really gives a shit about finding the truth, because that might risk popping their precious safe space / bubble.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77GGn-E607E

You have to dig into each issue / event from multiple sources and really honestly try to look at it from a different perspective and search for what`s true not what`s comforting. Don`t just go into your echo chamber and let them drop a deuce down your throat. Why the hell do you think a bunch of us keep coming here...

Oh and that Pizzagate stuff sounds like grade A bullplop.
RowdyRoddyPiper
Nut Job

December 6th, 2016 @ 6:57PM

Registered:
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Nashville TN
Posts: 1931
You can say its all bull and theres nothing to it but the instagram photo saves from these freaks where theres a baby picture posted and a reply "#babyyum" is very disturbing and then other hashtags they put on it like "#murder" next to a childs picture.......dude if you posted a baby pic on your facebook and some creepy fucking hipster had made that comment you would want them investigated would you not? its easy to live in your peaceful little world where everything is 9 to 5 nothing out of the ordinary ever happens but there are c130`s right now flying out of a florida airbase loaded with kidnapped children to saudi arabia where they go to the highest paying oil sheik to be used as a sex slave, murdered and or tortured for fun. You gotta wake up. Sandusky was raping boys in the bathroom at penn state at high noon tuesday thru friday.
BiVRiP
General

December 6th, 2016 @ 8:26PM

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Posts: 2345
Incredible claims require incredible evidence.

And at the end of the day, there is not one shred of proof or reliable witness testimony that backs up any of the wild allegations being made. Seriously, look at all the so-called "evidence". It all boils down to conjecture/supposition, all peppered with a healthy dose of multiple forms of logical fallacies, and all being perpetuated by questionable or unverifiable sources.

Those all the hallmarks, the litmus test as it were for differentiating between real and shoddy aka "fake" news.

That being said, this is all really a subset of several larger issues that are finally coming to fruition on a grand scale.

1) The marginalization and for-profit motive that has driven mainstream media over that past few decades to go from 50+ separate entities down to 6 massive media conglomerates. This has resulted in a catastrophic reduction and investment in investigative journalism and the fact-checking of information in general. These conglomerates are more interested in being first to report rather than presenting a complete, thorough and verified news story.

2) The change to a non-stop, 24h news cycle where media companies have to publish something, anything just to stay relevant and on-top. And when something juicy or controversial does come to light, they beat the subject matter to death and then beat it some more.

3) The blurring of lines between news reporting and news opinion/commenting. The blurring of lines between news articles and native advertising (SOURCE)

4) Generally speaking, the level of information analysis the average person seems to have when it comes to differentiating good information from bad. People have a tendency to support a bad argument that contains logical fallacies but jives with their world view over a good argument that clashes with their preconceived notions. Put another way, we're all susceptible to cognitive bias.

Long story short, PizzaGate is *not* news worthy and no self-respecting journalist should be legitimizing it by giving it any air time.

EDITED: 2016-12-06 20:29:23
ivehadnoduisforthreeweeks
Peon

December 6th, 2016 @ 9:14PM

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I watched the Alex Jones thing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pA65Upo_AEM

Alex makes a good point. It looks like some details of Pizzagate are off. If the details were 100% on then the mainstream media would just hide the story entirely like they do with all the other child sex rings of the ruling elites. He said the ruling elites have tons of confirmed child sex and murder rings and Pizzagate is focusing on one little pizza parlor and ignoring everything else.

The whatever details 4chan got wrong about PIzzagate, the mainstream media is going to use it to attack the alternative media. He says he smells a honeypot and a trap.
killer6600
Marine

December 8th, 2016 @ 7:47AM

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canada
Posts: 1692
no rrp, if i saw an instagram picture of a baby eating a piece of pizza with the hashtag #babyyum next to it, my first thought would be 'oh they must want you to think the baby likes their pizza' not 'oh they want me to know that that baby is some good fucking'
keepersmith
Marine

December 8th, 2016 @ 4:04PM

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When people cite youtube videos as "evidence" of anything, you know the world has a very big problem.
I'm sad to see Nebu, and this site, brought down to RRP levels.

Goodbye E/N.


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