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Tuesday, June 14th, 2016SUGGEST NEWS

New York-born 'fighter' Omar Mateen who died in Orlando gay club after killing 50
Posted by: Nebuchadnezzar on June 14th, 2016 @ 10:33PM

It bugs me the blinders that seem to be on a lot of people on the left about this kind of thing, especially considering the target in this case.

It`s like they can`t understand subtlety and complexity (although most people don`t/can`t). We can, and should acknowledge the problems in Islam with this kind of stuff, even if there will be people that try to paint all Muslims with a broad brush. Even if the amount of people who would do this are tiny, there are still a good portion who aren`t all that bothered by the people that died in this case.

Also, I`m sure there are plenty of so called `Christians` who aren`t that upset at 50 fags getting `what they deserve.` When I first heard about this with no real info other than Florida and gay club, my immediate reaction was "Hmmmm that`s going to either be Billy Bob or Mohammad."

Noss
- 2016-06-12 14:31:43


Pretty sure Christians have nothing to do with these mass shootings. Islam is a plague on this country and the entire world and it's only going to get worse.

Charkoth
- 2016-06-13 10:57:17


I am an evangelical reformed Christian, and I take no pleasure in seeing sinners or saints killed in terrorist attacks. What troubles me most is these people almost certainly died without a relationship to Jesus Christ. The Bible is quite clear --- all who die without saving faith in Christ go to hell for eternity. The characterize there being even a large segment of Christians who take some kind of joy in this would be disingenuous and slanderous. True Christians do not want homosexuals to be killed --- what we want to see is homosexuals repent and place their trust in Christ. At the same time, we also recognize, unlike most on the liberal left, that Islamic terrorism represents a threat to everyone -- Christian and non-Christian alike. We value the ability to have public discourse without violence. It seems to me that the extreme left in this country actually RESORTS to violence (`black lives matter`, anti-trump protesters, etc). There is not a global epidemic of Right Wing Christian terrorism in the world, despite what the mainstream media and the liberal pundits claim.

AggieSpirit
- 2016-06-13 10:21:30


A phobia is a fear. I have no fear of homosexuals. None at all. I have concern FOR the fate of homosexuals and all unrepentant sinners. It`s sad that I can not oppose a sexually deviant behavior that is contrary to both God`s law and natural law/biology...... without being called a homophobe. DF clearly can not tolerate opposing viewpoints. I`m with Charkoth.

AggieSpirit
- 2016-06-16 21:17:19

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Peon

June 12th, 2016 @ 2:31PM

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It bugs me the blinders that seem to be on a lot of people on the left about this kind of thing, especially considering the target in this case.

It`s like they can`t understand subtlety and complexity (although most people don`t/can`t). We can, and should acknowledge the problems in Islam with this kind of stuff, even if there will be people that try to paint all Muslims with a broad brush. Even if the amount of people who would do this are tiny, there are still a good portion who aren`t all that bothered by the people that died in this case.

Also, I`m sure there are plenty of so called `Christians` who aren`t that upset at 50 fags getting `what they deserve.` When I first heard about this with no real info other than Florida and gay club, my immediate reaction was "Hmmmm that`s going to either be Billy Bob or Mohammad."
AggieSpirit
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June 13th, 2016 @ 10:21AM

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I am an evangelical reformed Christian, and I take no pleasure in seeing sinners or saints killed in terrorist attacks. What troubles me most is these people almost certainly died without a relationship to Jesus Christ. The Bible is quite clear --- all who die without saving faith in Christ go to hell for eternity. The characterize there being even a large segment of Christians who take some kind of joy in this would be disingenuous and slanderous. True Christians do not want homosexuals to be killed --- what we want to see is homosexuals repent and place their trust in Christ. At the same time, we also recognize, unlike most on the liberal left, that Islamic terrorism represents a threat to everyone -- Christian and non-Christian alike. We value the ability to have public discourse without violence. It seems to me that the extreme left in this country actually RESORTS to violence (`black lives matter`, anti-trump protesters, etc). There is not a global epidemic of Right Wing Christian terrorism in the world, despite what the mainstream media and the liberal pundits claim.
Charkoth
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June 13th, 2016 @ 10:57AM

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Pretty sure Christians have nothing to do with these mass shootings. Islam is a plague on this country and the entire world and it's only going to get worse.
killer6600
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June 13th, 2016 @ 1:29PM

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the problem is that for every 10 aggie spirits that say they hate the sin and not the sinner there's an eric rudolph who bombs lesbian night clubs.

not to mention the christians who murder abortion doctors

or the world wide group called christian identity.

and when you disavow these 'christians' as not following the word of god just remember thats the same thing that muslims who don't want to murder people for being gay say about radical islam
Charkoth
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June 13th, 2016 @ 1:38PM

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I've yet to meet a Christian out of thousands who would be anything but saddened to see homosexuals killed. Considering over half of the US identifies themselves as Christian and less than 10% as Muslim I'd say Muslim killings of others for religious reasons has far surpassed that of "Christians", especially in the last decade.
meorah
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June 13th, 2016 @ 3:52PM

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"The Bible is quite clear "

hahahahhaha. if you say so.
meorah
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June 13th, 2016 @ 3:54PM

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"True Christians do not want homosexuals to be killed"

no true scotsman.
meorah
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June 13th, 2016 @ 4:01PM

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"we also recognize, unlike most on the liberal left, that Islamic terrorism represents a threat to everyone"

1. everybody with a clue understands islamic terrorism is an ongoing problem. lefties or righties have nothing to do with it even though the 24 hour news cycle would have you believe more than 25% of the population fits into a nice little political party to make their lives easier.

2. why would you care? you think you're going to live forever anyway. do you have any fucking clue how long forever is compared to an 85 year lifespan? a drop of spit on a sneeze in forever land is infinitely larger than 85 years. 85 years is like the quark of forever-ville. it's completely pointless in the grand scheme of eternity and thus you shouldn't really give a shit about whether you die at 25 or 40 or 68 or 85 or 103.
meorah
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June 13th, 2016 @ 4:04PM

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"It seems to me that the extreme left in this country actually RESORTS to violence (`black lives matter`, anti-trump protesters, etc)."

extreme anything is shit. as far as I can tell, if you're an extreme middle-class independent moderate buddhist then I'd still be worried about you since you're "extreme" and therefore irrational. again leftie rightie makes no difference.
meorah
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June 13th, 2016 @ 4:08PM

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"what we want to see is homosexuals repent and place their trust in Christ"

tough shit. nobody will take you seriously until you're also outside red lobster petitioning people to repent of their lobster abomination. which you aren't... because nobody is... because nobody makes you uncomfortable by eating shellfish.

unless you're really trying to invoke saul of tarsus as the primary authority on faggotry you don't have a leg to stand on.
BiVRiP
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June 13th, 2016 @ 4:44PM

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With respect to social progress I'm pretty left leaning, however whenever tragic incidents like this happen there is always a rush by the left (whether they realize it or not) to present a case of false equivalency.

Yes, there are Christian fundamentalists who have committed atrocities. Religious extremism isn't isolated to Islam. But its disingenuous and naive to think that the sheer scope and breath of these events is even remotely proportional - at least not within the context of the modern times we live in.

There may be a billion peaceful practitioners of Islam who aren't interested in jihad, however within that group there are literally hundreds of millions who want to see Sharia Law expanded. Most troubling is that this is not only happening in predominately Muslim countries, but in western countries where there is a strong push not to assimilate. Like this most recent event in France where a Muslim woman was attacked for serving alcohol on Ramadan (LINK).

I encourage people to take a moment and listen to people like Raheel Raza and her work with the Clarion Project. Here's just one video I highly recommend - By The Numbers - The Untold Story of Muslim Opinions & Demographics

I've said it before in another thread and I'll summarize it here again. Islam desperately needs the equivalent of what Christianity underwent with the Reformation of the 1600's and the Age of Enlightenment in the 1800's.

EDIT: fixed spelling

EDITED: 2016-06-13 17:22:11
Charkoth
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June 14th, 2016 @ 7:54AM

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Thanks for that BiVRiP.

It's good to see that there are some rational Liberals still out there.

Meorah you are speaking of a religion which you know very little about and understand even less. Jesus overturned the old testament law concerning what foods were permissable (easy enough to google the scripture for this if you cared). Jesus also overturned the laws that stated idolaters, adulterors and homosexuals were to be killed without judgement...but he didn't make the acts themselves unsinful.

God is ultimately the judge of men. If you chose to deny his existence then that is your choice. It is not for men to judge others, but we know his commandments and he wants us to spread his word so there is nothing wrong with being saddened that so many obviously died without hearing or hearing and rejecting his word due to what that means for us (Eternity spent in the absense of God (aka Hell).

Disastrous Fate
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June 15th, 2016 @ 5:11AM

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Nebu, is there any way for us to delete our account ourselves or for you to delete our account for us? I'm done here.
Disastrous Fate
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June 15th, 2016 @ 5:13AM

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Seeing Aggie's homophobia right below Charkoth using an LGBT tragedy to justify Islamophobia.. only days after the tragedy.

Yeah, fuck this place. Please, delete my account.
Charkoth
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June 15th, 2016 @ 7:22AM

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DF then by all means please take your PC fragile ego elsewhere where you will be surrounded by people with no opposing views and you only hear things you find acceptable to you. If you bury your head deep enough in the sand you may never need to experience anything uncomfortable to you again unless you ever happen to be a target of a group of people who'd love nothing more than to send you to your maker.

Before you go get one thing straight....this isn't a "LGBT Tragedy"...it's a fucking American Tragedy. Who gives a shit that they were Gay? I doesn't matter a whit. What if they were black? Children? Women. They were fucking PEOPLE. Get lost with your Liberal bullshit labels and your garbage "phobia" terminology. People like you are exactly why this kind of thing happens in the first place.

I know one thing....Had I been present I'd have given my life without hesistation for a chance to save these people and their sexual orientation would never has crossed my mind during my decision making processes.

nate_orenstam
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June 15th, 2016 @ 3:24PM

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I think we need a group hug up in here. PP OK?
Charkoth
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June 16th, 2016 @ 7:45AM

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-Hugs-

EDITED: 2016-06-16 12:11:36
meorah
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June 16th, 2016 @ 8:45AM

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"Meorah you are speaking of a religion which you know very little about and understand even less. Jesus overturned the old testament law concerning what foods were permissable (easy enough to google the scripture for this if you cared). Jesus also overturned the laws that stated idolaters, adulterors and homosexuals were to be killed without judgement...but he didn't make the acts themselves unsinful. "

bitch get a fucking clue. I was raised christian and went to private christian schools from 1st grade through college. tell me I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about you cherry picking stupid fuck.
Charkoth
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June 16th, 2016 @ 12:11PM

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I thought I was pretty precise in what I said.

Your education and upbringing gives you ZERO understanding of the Word of God.

If I had to guess I'd say you went to Catholic school...which explains not only your lack of understanding on the teachings of Jesus but your negative view of the entire Christian religion. Catholicism is a perversion of the Word of God....but we digress. The points still stand...even the Catholics get that right.

AggieSpirit
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June 16th, 2016 @ 9:17PM

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A phobia is a fear. I have no fear of homosexuals. None at all. I have concern FOR the fate of homosexuals and all unrepentant sinners. It`s sad that I can not oppose a sexually deviant behavior that is contrary to both God`s law and natural law/biology...... without being called a homophobe. DF clearly can not tolerate opposing viewpoints. I`m with Charkoth.
Noss
Peon

June 17th, 2016 @ 2:39PM

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Contrary to natural law/biology? Except that homosexual behavior is found all over the animal kingdom. But in terms of YOUR gods law, how about you respect the freedom that your country claims to stand for and not impose your faith on others. (that`s probably also somewhere in the bible I bet, probably in one of the many parts you don`t want to follow, like that part about women shutting up)


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