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Thursday, January 16th, 2014SUGGEST NEWS

Annoying POS Old Neighbor Guy
Posted by: Nebuchadnezzar on January 16th, 2014 @ 10:02AM

1/15/2014 - Looks like the piece of shit sold his house, which we kept praying for. Now we're just waiting for him to leave. It was only a month ago he was calling security on us for our car outside. I hope he ______.

12/5/2013 - Guy put up a for sale sign by the real estate lady that sells the most in the area. She's really good, sold us our home so I'm hoping she sells it so that piece of shit will be gone. Then it will be the happiest time ever.

11/24/2013 - Annoying Neighbor guy calls the security patrol because we were parked in front of the garage yesterday. I yelled at SCREW YOU ____ as I drove by. But we didn't get a ticket.

11/2013
- So the old neighbor guy calls the cops on his neighbor saying there's a bullet hole in the garage and thinks that our neighbor got rid of his girlfriend. So the cops came out and the guy had to deal with all that. Guy is such a pos.

Earlier this year 2013 - They started a new $100 parking fine so the ahole calls up the HOA a bunch saying we were parked out of front of our garage for 8 hours when we weren't even home that day.

5/10/2010 - We received a notice from the HOA about how we had violating their parking policy. Basically this old guy complained about us and his neighbor after our confrontation with him on 4/29 and they sent out a warning to us and our neighbor as a result. What's funny is our neighbor didn't even have any run in with him and he just did it to be a dick.

I wrote up a huge letter with many revisions to the HOA about this guy. We called them up and they said it's a neighbor to neighbor dispute and they won't intervene. However, since he's using them as a tool for harassment and going around harassing kids and neighbors impersonating a representative of the HOA, I think it's their duty to become involved. If he's going around stirring up problems where non exist and using the HOA to send out warnings via their newsletter and violation notices, then to me that's harassment.

We also spoke to our neighbor and discovered that he regularly gets notices about parking, ignores them, and nothing ever happens, FOR YEARS. So there's really no concern here of him doing anything to us other than annoying us. But he did talk to our kid and to us that's dangerous and the police should likely be involved next time that happens.

He targets and scares kid.

As always, any suggestions about resolving this matter are appreciated.

4/29/2010 - Well it's been 7 months but you had to know that annoying old guy would be back. What really pisses me off is me and my kid were at the pool and his wife is walking by and she was all friendly and said hi to us. Later I realize as she went into the house, that's his wife. So she's married to an old mf-er.

Anyway, latest update is my kid was with a new neighbor and they were doing RC cars on the sidewalk and he went out and yelled at them. It makes me violent even thinking about it. i want to rush and beat the shit out of him. But I have been controlling myself. Our plan is to call the HOA and complain about him. Or as you mentioned before, you could file a restraining order. He does live near the pool though.

Second, he finds someone new in the neighborhood. Then he walks over and pins a HOA doc with the rules from 2007 on their door. They had no idea who did it until this guy was after them today.

This dipshit saves all the HOA newsletters which typically just have a list of shit we're not allowed to do and that people are doing and then uses them against people. Then any time he goes after someone, whatever he mentions magically shows up as a warning in the next month's HOA newsletter. The last like 3/6 updates were things he complains about. So he must call them up.

My chick was telling him off and he said that he got a new garage and a fence from the last people to tangle with him. So he must sue them or something.

What a fucker, seriously.

9/17/2009

So we find out the assholes game today. In the bill for the HOA is the newsletter. Well we suspected one of the other entries addressed to everyone was about us and this one confirmed it. Guess what the major topic is? Parking. It says don't park behind your garage or you might be towed. Then it says rat to the management company. haha. It's not addressed to us specifically but it appears much or some of the entries are from that guy.

Well yesterday we thought we saw some dork on a motorcycle in the apartment areas or condos possibly doing parking.

So one asshole can take out the entire community huh? haha. I think I'm going to write a letter about this guy.

9/16

So, today we saw the annoying old guy ratting out the neighborhood to possibly an HOA rep. It wasn't just us. He was telling on everyone.

He also told these nice kids they can't skateboard past his house. haha.

Suggestions? I was thinking send a mail to my HOA about this guy and what a troublemaker he is.

9/10

I've lived in California all my life except 2 school years in Michigan. I've never, ever had good neighbors. Let's run down some of the gems:

  • Crack house across the street. Busted. (San Diego)
  • Sheriff lives next door, leaves dog, says he'll pick him up, never came back
  • Neighbor has snake, plays the guitar really badly all day. Beheads my rabbit on Christmas day. Beheads his parents cat and leaves it on their doorstep after he got kicked out. The dad ends up trying to commit suicide in the garage (next door after I left) and ends up failing and paralyzed for life. (idiot). He was a body builder too.
  • Neighbor is a Sheriff lady (former or whatever). Ends up running away kidnapping some neighborhood person (so the story goes). Once people went inside the house they found they were doing like sacrifice shit and burning all sorts of things in their fireplace.
  • Neighbor above us plays piano. Chops fish head. Steals grocery carts from store. Stomps on our ceiling all day (we had to move).

    Now....

    Remember I did tell you at my new house there was this old guy that stole our oranges. Well he turned out to be pretty nice. H.L.M. goes over and talks to him. He's given us tomatoes, oranges, etc. He's cool.

    We've been doing fine for 8 months. We keep finding new people at the pool and everyone has been great.

    Anyway. So it's like 8 p.m. tonight and I hear this knock on our garage door. Well my car is in the garage and there is 0 space to get by the car to even walk to the garage door. I can barely get by. Also the light is out. There's no reason why someone should be there. Everyone else comes around through the patio. There's these 2 kids my kid plays with across the driveway and we thought it was them. So I make H.L.M. answer it.

    The old guy tells her that you can't park there. Her van was off in the corner cuz we were buying a couch today. She said she's unloading. He goes FOR 2 HOURS? So the guy actually was counting.

    So he runs back into his garage and shuts the door. So she knocks on his garage and he opened it and came back to talk. He said don't hit my garage. She said well you came into OUR garage. Don't ever do that. He actually invaded our garage in a clearly NON WALKABLE non invited area.

    So beind my garage it's a public driveway with a circle at the end that is shared with all the houses. It's like apartments. You don't own it. You can put your trash out there on trash days. Our kids play out there. They use street cleaners on it. You're not allowed to park there (overnight?) but everyone on our end is cool. No one parks in anyone's way. No one even parks there overnight. Sometimes people have parties and park lots of cars but they do so in a way that everyone can get by. So it's NO problem.

    So we starts talking with the guy. She says she has kids. The guy goes something like "well do you think you're something special cause you have kids?" She asked how it affected him. It didn't in ANY WAY. The FUCKER lives way down the street. No where near us. Like 4 houses down. We were also parked in a way where there is plenty of room (20 cars of room) to come down and turn around if he wanted. He tried to claim that some magical snowball effect would happen. Our neighbor parks his van in front of his garage 14+ hours a day (until sundown), every day for years! He said this guy has never complained to him. So this old f-er said that if our neighbor parks there and we do, pretty soon EVERYONE would and it would affect him. Then he just kept quoting the rules to us.

    Who gives a shit about the rules. Seriously. We already gotta pay fing $189 a month in HOA dues. The rules should apply if we're affecting him in a negative way. He couldn't even SEE our van past our neighbors van without walking to the end of the street.

    So, this guy walked past our neighbor who really abuses, parking there all day every day, and went for us who parked there like 1 time, and like 30 mins in the morning sometimes. What a piece of shit.

    So this chick is just arguing with him. She said, you need to get out of our garage or we'll call the cops. He said: "Go ahead" or something like that. She says if he calls the cops that we'll know it's him. He couldn't answer how it effects him. Then he said something like she's delusional. We'll, me and her fight a lot, but that guy had no right to say that shit to her. So I started going after him.

    He tried to shake my hand and I like went by him without doing it. He tried to re-introduce himself. I'm thinking he just got into a fight with my woman. He TRESPASSED past my car in the dark and is banging on my inner door. There's no way I'm going to be nice at that point any more. All he's said is he will rat us out for parking there. Why do I want to be friends with him after a threat like that, especially since it affects him in NO FUCKING WAY WHATSOEVER.

    We laugh at his snowball effect and I actually say that. He kept trying to say shit but eventually I double flip him off in his face and cuss him out. Then I'm yelling shit like OLD COOT as he's leaving. I'm like you're the old fucker who goes around annoying his neighbors.

    Well, our next door neighbor and another one I've never seen end up coming over and talking shit on the guy. They said he got in a fight with the people who lived there before us cuz their kids were banging balls on his garage. That family and him ended up getting in regular screaming matches and throwing things. haha. So this guy has a history of being the neighborhood piece of shit that no one likes. Well I'm not rolling over to that guy. I don't feel any regret about how that played out. He trespassed, he said shit on my woman. He was in our business over something that had nothing to do with him. He was just jealous he bought a house where there's no way for him to park in front. The people at the end like us can but he can't. That's his fucking problem, not ours.

    So, I heard that even if he calls the cops, they don't give a crap if we park out there. He could f up our cars. But we could easily find out his car.

    So I stay out there, vacuum the van. I'm waiting to go leave and buy a couch. The next door neighbor and one two doors down come over. They ask what the problem was. I explained it and they told me the guys names and that he got into a fight with the previous owners of my house about their kids bouncing balls on his garage. They said the family and him would scream and throw things at each other. This lady lives directly across from him. She said he's basically a dick. The guy next to me said he's parked his van out there for YEARS and never got any complaints from the guy. So basically he targeted us thinking we'd roll on him. Instead he got another neighbor that hates him. We've never even seen this guy in 8 months either. That's how he introduces himself. Home invasion, block police.


    One more thing that`s happened to me living in a condo complex... My wife got a nasty note on her car for parking on the lines in the parking lot (ONE TIME). We figured out the bitch who did it because she was a dumb fuck and wrote it on the back of a piece of mail. She`s also one of the idiots that was campaigning for Obama (i.e. using her access to our condo complex to put ad bullshit under our door etc). I have yet to decide what I`m going to do to her, but there will be some sort of retribution at some point.

    Bashkir
    - 2009-09-10 08:00:51

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    Bashkir
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    September 10th, 2009 @ 7:57AM

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    You`re always gonna get some idiot like that in a condo or townhouse complex. I have an electric grill which is allowed in our area. Right when we moved in, we put it on our deck, never thinking anything of it. A few days after moving in, I get this ridiculous letter from the HOA company telling me that I have to remove my gas/charcoal grill. I called the fucker at the HOA and left him a voice mail bitching him out about sending something like that without investigating. I later come to find out that some old bitch goes around looking for that type of shit. Instead of telling us about it, it gets reported to the HOA. I`ve also seen the bitch yelling at me for driving through the parking lot at 15mph (pretty slow) and I flipped her off.
    Bashkir
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    September 10th, 2009 @ 8:00AM

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    One more thing that`s happened to me living in a condo complex... My wife got a nasty note on her car for parking on the lines in the parking lot (ONE TIME). We figured out the bitch who did it because she was a dumb fuck and wrote it on the back of a piece of mail. She`s also one of the idiots that was campaigning for Obama (i.e. using her access to our condo complex to put ad bullshit under our door etc). I have yet to decide what I`m going to do to her, but there will be some sort of retribution at some point.
    Smokin Joe
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    September 10th, 2009 @ 8:09AM

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    I sure can't wait to own a house myself!
    craig
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    September 10th, 2009 @ 9:44AM

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    Long story is long.
    RowdyRoddyPiper
    Nut Job

    September 10th, 2009 @ 2:01PM

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    funny story. what a troublemaker. Ide like to hear more on that story of the sheriff lady and the kidnapping and all that.
    Zelph01
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    September 10th, 2009 @ 4:50PM

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    Quick summary:
    You break HOA rules and he confronts you like a douche instead of just calling the HOA to enforce it with a fine.
    Then you and yours confront him on his property and end up making a scene so that all your neighbors now have a poorer opinion of him and you.

    You gotta rise above that kind of behavior...
    WatchingThursday
    Peon

    September 10th, 2009 @ 5:26PM

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    I thought neighbors doing the hitler waltz across the kitchen floor in high heels at 6 AM was bad (I was on the 1st floor).

    That really is the shittiest neighbor I`ve heard of. Just tell the police he`s been harassing your kids and you most likely will never see him again.
    BiVRiP
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    September 10th, 2009 @ 9:38PM

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    The only thing worse than the royal douches obsessed with apartment/condo rules, are the ones who complain about everyone else but are themselves the biggest rule breakers.
    Nebuchadnezzar
    The King

    September 10th, 2009 @ 11:32PM

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    You break HOA rules and he confronts you like a douche instead of just calling the HOA to enforce it with a fine.

    Who gives a shit about HOA rules. HOAs are major homo. 9/10 HOA rules are about old ladies wanting something to complain about. Let me give you an example. One of the rules they have is no kids on the sidewalks on bikes or scooters. But what would you have them do, go down the middle of the street? That is allowed, while the sidewalks are not. But in practice, no one gives a shit.

    He can't call the HOA. He can only call the Irvine PD, who doesn't care. HAHA. He washes his car at 7 am and wakes his neighbors up. That's called disturbing the peace.

    Then you and yours confront him on his property

    No, he went into our garage, then tried to run back to his. We knocked on the EXTERNAL garage door and he came back into my area in front of my van. So neither of us were
    ever on his property. Never entered his property beyond knocking on his garage. He entered our garage and squeezed past my car (in the dark!)

    and end up making a scene so that all your neighbors now have a poorer opinion of him and you.

    Did you read the end of the story? Apparently not. The neighbors came out and agreed with us and told us basically he's a dick and has done this to many other people.

    So you're a dumbass. The end.

    EDITED: 2009-09-10 23:37:00
    Pimster
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    September 11th, 2009 @ 1:42AM

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    Lots of anger in you, just laugh at the old man and egg his house at night or something.
    Zelph01
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    September 11th, 2009 @ 5:32AM

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    Who gives a shit about HOA rules. HOAs are major homo. 9/10 HOA rules are about old ladies wanting something to complain about.

    HOA rules often do suck, but they keep trash from living in the neighborhood. Without those rules (and the enforcement fines), your neighborhood could become a place full of young to middle-class families who struggle with basic behavior. (Or old child abductors who have shanties and tents in their back yard!)

    So neither of us were ever on his property. Never entered his property beyond knocking on his garage.

    "Oh no, your honor! I didn`t kick him... except his face."
    Last time I checked, a person`s external garage door rests on someone`s property... which you just admitted.


    ..and end up making a scene so that all your neighbors now have a poorer opinion of him and you.

    Did you read the end of the story? Apparently not. The neighbors came out and agreed with us and told us basically he`s a dick and has done this to many other people.


    Just because he acts like an idiot doesn`t mean you need to. The end.
    GroverDill
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    September 11th, 2009 @ 7:40AM

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    He can't call the HOA. He can only call the Irvine PD, who doesn't care. HAHA.

    Why can't he call the HOA? Isn't the entire point of an HOA to enforce whatever community standards have been commonly agreed upon, through warnings or fines or whatnot? Didn't you have to sign something when you bought your house saying that agreed to be bound by their jurisdiction in situations like these?

    I mean, granted, most sensible people would probably dismiss his claims as simple bitching, but I'm curious why you say he couldn't complain to the HOA if he wanted to...
    Nebuchadnezzar
    The King

    September 11th, 2009 @ 10:08AM

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    I'm curious why you say he couldn't complain to the HOA if he wanted to...
    The HOA turns it over to the Irvine PD for enforcement which doesn't ever enforce. They hired some external company to enforce for $1,000 a year and according to the neighbors, they never do anything.

    If this guy complained to the HOA, I would complain that he entered our garage without permission in a clearly non-walkable area with the lights out.

    I would also complain that we were just unloading, which is exactly what we were doing. We were feeding the kids while at the same time unloading the van.

    HOA rules often do suck, but they keep trash from living in the neighborhood.

    Not true at all. There's this Rolls that's been parked on the street for YEARS and you're only supposed to park on there 1 day. There's this other van with no grill covered in every inch of stickers that is a major eye sore.

    I've never heard anyone defend HOAs except old ladies. You must be an old lady.

    "Oh no, your honor! I didn`t kick him... except his face."

    Completely unrelated comment or analogy that makes no sense.

    Last time I checked, a person`s external garage door rests on someone`s property... which you just admitted.

    His external garage door is facing the public street which is a common area. You're arguing that it's an invasion of property to stand on a common area street and knock on a garage door? What kinda douche are you? And how in any way does that compare to someone who enters your FULL garage in the dark, walks inside (not having even know you), and bangs on an internal door repeatedly, late in the evening. He was also wearing jeans and likely scraped or scratched the side of my car as he tried to squeeze through because you CANNOT fit through there comfortably.

    Just because he acts like an idiot doesn`t mean you need to.

    You seem to be acting like an idiot. You're defending homo HOA rules and trying to say knocking on a door from a common area street is invading his property. He's lucky I didn't go beat his ass for insulting my woman and invading my garage.



    EDITED: 2009-09-11 10:12:10
    Morpheus
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    September 11th, 2009 @ 10:32AM

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    Actually, Zelph01, for the most part HOA rules are just outright lame. They don't keep trash from living in the neighborhood. In the area I live, it's expensive enough that "trash" can't afford to live near us. So actually not having an HoA is a selling point. Having an HoA is considered a negative. Because basically it's there for old widows and divorcees who have no lives to spend their time measuring the length of your grass with a ruler to make sure it's under the required height when they're not busy looking into your windows with their binoculars.

    Second point, by Nebu knocking on the guy's garage door, he was not trespassing. He was standing on public ground while knocking...the guy's garage door faces a little alley that leads to the open area Nebu was talking about. It's public ground, not his. Touching his door with your knuckles doesn't make you a trespasser and if he were to call the cops, they'd laugh at him.

    On the other hand, the guy walking through Nebu's garage was indeed trespassing. And since I've actually been to Nebu's place, I can assure you that he's telling no lie. With a car in the garage, there's almost no way you can walk to his door without falling over crap in the dark. He must've been holding onto Nebu's car in the dark inching along. And I'd be pissed if some tard walked through my garage, stepping on my crap in order to knock on the interior garage door, not the front door.

    The guy is clearly losing his sanity in his old age and you should probably do whatever you can to avoid him altogether Nebu. He's a bitter old man who thinks he can get away with being the neighborhood policeman. Rules don't apply to him, only to you...
    Zelph01
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    September 11th, 2009 @ 11:32AM

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    "Oh no, your honor! I didn`t kick him... except his face" and "Never entered his property beyond knocking on his garage" are very similar statements. Both say they didn`t do something, but in the same sentence admit that they did.

    His external garage door is facing the public street which is a common area. You`re arguing that it`s an invasion of property to stand on a common area street and knock on a garage door?

    Easy there. That`s not what I said, nor is it what you wrote. You did not specify the distance that his garage door was from the public walkway.

    However, as Morpheus explained it, it sounds like his garage door and the public property or sidewalk are an inch away. But I read what you wrote, which said "Never entered his property beyond knocking on his garage." This means that you did enter his property in order to knock on his garage.

    Now, my assumption was that he had a driveway in front of his garage. While I`m on that subject, trespass is not a crime for which he will be prosecuted except when it is prohibited by specific statues. If you want to sue someone for trespass (tort law), you usually need to have posted a no-trespassing" sign. `Just a legal FYI.

    And further, if some neighbor acted like a monkey and threatened me because he felt that "his woman" was insulted, I`d consider suing him for assault.

    The law defines assault as
    "The threat or use of force on another that causes that person to have a reasonable apprehension of imminent harmful or offensive contact; the act of putting another person in reasonable fear or apprehension of an immediate battery by means of an act amounting to an attempt or threat to commit a battery."

    You did more than threaten offensive contact. By your own admission you were "yelling shit like OLD COOT as he`s leaving" and you "double flip him off in his face." Obviously, he didn`t want your assault to turn into a battery because he left, perhaps fearing that you might strike him.

    He could sue you in tort law for assault. Assault does not require that you have touched him, only that a reasonable person might have felt fear. Be grateful he`s not litigious, otherwise you`d be found accountable for your actions. He`d win.

    And I don`t like HOAs, but they do keep trashy people who usually can`t afford the fees (though as your story illustrates sometimes people slip through) out.
    Nebuchadnezzar
    The King

    September 11th, 2009 @ 12:21PM

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    Having an HoA is considered a negative. Because basically it's there for old widows and divorcees who have no lives to spend their time measuring the length of your grass with a ruler to make sure it's under the required height when they're not busy looking into your windows with their binoculars.

    That's exactly it. We looked for no HOA and rejected most houses for having an HOA. But if you want to live in Irvine, MOST have HOAs. In fact, one co-worker managed to get a nice house in Irvine without an HOA and the real estate agent still can't believe it.

    HOAs are so lame that they give you the rules beforehand just in case you want to back out of the deal because of their lame rules. Well we found several rules in there we didn't like but only took the place because we were told they were never enforced.

    But I read what you wrote, which said "Never entered his property beyond knocking on his garage." This means that you did enter his property in order to knock on his garage.

    What kinda asshat are you? Are we arguing law here?

    You did not specify the distance

    Ok guy. Let's get out our rulers and start arguing minor details for no reason.

    And further, if some neighbor acted like a monkey and threatened me because he felt that "his woman" was insulted, I`d consider suing him for assault.

    I'd consider invading someone's garage and calling people names acting like a monkey. It was only when he started insulting us did I return fire with words.
    Assault? Whatever. He trespassed. I flipped him off with a reasonable distance of at least 10 feet. I said face only because he was facing me.
    If you were in Texas you could have a gun and be shooting at his ass for being in your garage.

    He could sue you in tort law for assault. Assault does not require that you have touched him, only that a reasonable person might have felt fear. Be grateful he`s not litigious, otherwise you`d be found accountable for your actions. He`d win.

    What a crock of shit. Maybe you'd be correct if he wasn't inside our garage. But that's the selling point. Some crazy guy is in your garage and you're defending your property (WITH WORDS OMG).

    You did more than threaten offensive contact.

    Not at all. But boy was I about to. I never once threatened him but had he stuck around, maybe I would have. I was about to say, you better stay the fuck away from my family and house or else.

    The guy obviously has had problems with other people. In fact he got much more violent to the point of throwing shit with the previous owners of the house. How can you argue for this guy in that case?

    If the cops showed up, I would have told them this guy came into our garage (tresspassed) was hanging around in the dark, uninvited and started insulting my woman. I've been advised legally that I'd have no problem getting a restraining order against him. The other neighbors would easily back me up.

    I have 0 regrets over anything I did. I wish I woulda slammed out more things to say.
    Zelph01
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    September 11th, 2009 @ 1:21PM

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    Ok guy. Let`s get out our rulers and start arguing minor details for no reason.

    Details matter, otherwise he could just say the he knocked on your garage door (and omit the fact that he went into your garage and around your car in a space so small that he could have scratched your car while getting in and out of your garage).

    You are confusing the issues. Whether or not he did something which angered you is not going to matter when you are being sued for assault. Reasonable people don`t go apeshit over nonsense like this.

    And, you changed your story. First, it was "I double flip him off in his face" Now, it`s "I flipped him off with a reasonable distance of at least 10 feet. I said face only because he was facing me." That`s a crock.

    But, fwiw, I do think a restraining order would be the thing to get against him. That would actually be hilarious.
    Nebuchadnezzar
    The King

    September 11th, 2009 @ 1:47PM

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    Reasonable people don`t go apeshit over nonsense like this.

    Are you from California? This is a conflict zone. People shoot guns. People deal drugs. Maybe not where we live, but everywhere else.

    Honestly I wouldn't have gone apeshit if the guy wasn't in my garage. Reasonable people don't try to defend old coots.

    Whether or not he did something which angered you is not going to matter when you are being sued for assault.
    I consulted a lawyer. He asked if I touched him, hand anything in my hands when talking, or ever threatened him. In fact the guy tried to touch me as he was trying to forcibly shake my hand. He said the guy had no case for assault. GG.
    Morpheus
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    September 11th, 2009 @ 2:39PM

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    My wife is an attorney. In fact, because of her job, I've heard more than my fair share of cases and such and have associated with many attorneys and judges.

    And let me just say one thing here, a judge would throw that case out quicker than you could blink an eye. It would go absolutely nowhere and judges would not even laugh at you. They'd be pissed at you for wasting their time. You couldn't even find one successful attorney who'd even take the case unless Nebu had threatened the guy with physical harm and made him fear for his safety.

    Any attorney worth his/her salt would never take an assault case without contact or even clear verbal threats. Telling a guy to fuck off or cussing him out or insulting him isn't grounds for a case.
    Zelph01
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    Morpheus, people have sued (and won) for assault because a racist remark was made in public which embarrassed or hurt the reputation of the plaintiff.
    Granted, you`re right- without bodily contact or clear and indisputable verbal threats of such, it would be a more difficult case.
    Nebuchadnezzar
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    September 11th, 2009 @ 4:23PM

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    I think the lesson is don't make any verbal threats. haha.

    assault because a racist remark was made in public

    You'd probably need WITNESSES.

    Nalcolm
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    Granted, you`re right- without bodily contact or clear and indisputable verbal threats of such, it would be a more difficult case.

    More difficult? More like impossibly difficult, what lawyer would take a case based on some white guy yelling at some other white guy? Racism is looked on a lot differently in America than telling people to fuck off for entering your garage uninvited.

    For example: Fuck off Zelph01, you're a stupid twat. Stop clogging up my series of tubes with your thick skull.

    Lawyer up and come and get me for assault, if you think it's so easy.
    Zelph01
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    Nalcolm, Nebu`s actions were a lot closer to assault than your simple exercise of free speech.

    Besides, are you from California? This is a conflict zone. People shoot guns. People deal drugs. Maybe not where [Nebu] lives, but everywhere else...
    Zelph01
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    Nalcolm, Nebu`s actions were a lot closer to assault than your simple exercise of free speech.

    Besides, are you from California? This is a conflict zone. People shoot guns. People deal drugs. Maybe not where [Nebu] lives, but everywhere else...
    EightCounts
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    "And forgive us our trespasses,
    As we forgive those who trespass against us."

    You know who gives the "well 'so and so' does this, this, and this" argument? Children.

    The response to him should have been "oh, sorry about that, we just got finished bringing in a couch and we just fed the kids. Lost track of time. I'll move it in a bit. And could I please ask that the next time you need to talk to us, please use our patio?"

    I understand that sometimes the passion of the moment clouds our judgement. But the problem is the fact that you still see yourself doing no wrong at all. The guy left and HLM went over to confront him again. I am not saying what he did was right, but neither was your actions. Were you seriously expecting an apology? Expect Nothing.


    EDITED: 2009-09-12 00:00:57
    Nebuchadnezzar
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    Nebu`s actions were a lot closer to assault

    You're still trying that one? Two lawyers have agreed it's not. Give it up.
    what316
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    You should have kicked his ass and taken the assault charge like a motherfucking gangster. Has this been posted yet? =)
    Zelph01
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    It`s called a comparative qualifier.
    closer to assault than Nalcolm`s statement.

    Closer to assault than
    Closer to assault
    Closer to
    closer
    Nalcolm
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    Nalcolm, Nebu`s actions were a lot closer to assault than your simple exercise of free speech.

    Besides, are you from California? This is a conflict zone. People shoot guns. People deal drugs. Maybe not where [Nebu] lives, but everywhere else...


    Are you that dumb? You think that California being a place with that sort of crime makes it more likely to get charged with assault for yelling at a shitty neighbor and flipping the bird? Something tells me the courts have other things to deal with.

    Nebu yelled at a guy who walked into his garage without permission, then gave him a couple middle fingers. You're nitpicking about the difference between walking up to something and knocking on a door or walking INTO a garage where personal items are stored, and it pisses me off because you know it but are being thick headed on purpose so you don't have to admit that someone going into a part of your place is a big enough violation that you deserve to get yelled at.

    Lot closer to assault? Stop being a nitwit.
    Zelph01
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    Nalcolm. Look at my very first post. It was telling Nebu to grow up. I think the guy deserved to get yelled at too, but that doesn`t mean Nebu should have done it- that`s what the HOA is for.
    Zelph01
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    Are you that dumb? You think that California being a place with that sort of crime makes it more likely to get charged with assault for yelling at a shitty neighbor and flipping the bird? Something tells me the courts have other things to deal with.

    One more thing Nalcolm: You`re accusing me of nitpicking even though you`ve missed the entire point of my posts in this thread (which was to suggest a more mature approach to the situation). You`ve taken my statements on assault and run with it and missed the entire point of me even bringing it up.

    Further, I am talking about a tort case of assault, not a criminal assault charge. Prosecutors don`t bring tort cases to trial, and the police don`t get involved either. The victim of Nebu`s apeshit behavior, in this case the old man, would be the one who needs to establish the criteria for assault. And, IF he can prove the criteria for assault (with the facts being judged in a trial by a jury or a judge), then he would win. It`s all going to be based on what Nebu did, not the old man`s invasion of his garage.

    And frankly, Eightcount`s statement was better than anything I came up with. That`s truth.
    shark180
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    September 16th, 2009 @ 8:21PM

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    Burn down his house.
    Ykant
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    I don`t know how HOAs work out your way, but at least where I am, the best way to screw over a neighbor who uses the association as a harassment tool is to get a couple of your neighbor buddies together and get on the board. Sure, it takes some time, but you`re not planning on moving anytime soon... so you`ve got nothing to lose.
    bshido
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    September 16th, 2009 @ 8:29PM

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    Burn his house down
    HotLikeMe
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    Ok, so after reading some of these comments, I feel like I need to set the record straight. The only reason I went and knocked on his garage after he left, is because he said he was going to talk to our neighbor about leaving his van parked in front of his garage. I questioned his reasoning for confronting us when, 1: our van wasn`t in his way, and 2: our neighbor who`s house is closer to him, always parks in front of his garage and he`s never confronted him. After I questioned him about this he said he was going to go over there and talk to him, too. Well upon leaving he went back to his garage and I felt compelled to follow him and ask him why he didn`t go talk to the other neighbor. I wanted to call him on his lie.

    Nebu got the events out of order so it makes the whole thing seem worse, on our part, than it was. I answered our internal garage door, thinking it was one of the neighbor kids, because I didn`t think an adult would enter someone`s garage uninvited, and the first thing the guy said to me is, "Do you know you can`t park there?". Not even a "Hi, my name is so and so and I`m your neighbor down the street. Well, my first response was, "I`m sorry we were just unloading". His response in a sarcastic tone, "For 2 hours". Then my defenses went up and I questioned who he was and what he was doing in our garage. When he said he lived down the street, I became even more irritated, because he was coming across like he was the security company patrolling the neighborhood and was going to write me up if I didn`t move. I was completely caught off guard by this jerk. We`ve lived in the neighborhood for almost a year and I`ve never met this guy or seen him once, but all the other neighbors surrounding us, I`ve met and have very good relationships with. They were taught, as I was, to be kind to your neighbors, and also the golden rule that most of us learn in kindergarten, but I`m not sure what planet this guy came from. After he told me he lived a few houses down, I proceeded to tell him that I`ve met all the neighbors, except for him, and nobody has had a problem with me leaving my van out front while I load and unload the kids, groceries, sports equipment, etc., and they live closer to us than he does. I also asked him if he`s ever talked to our neighbor about his van, since he`s lived there way longer than we have and parks out there way more than I do, surely he would`ve talked to him at some point. But no he hasn`t, which leads me to believe he`s trying to assert his authority over the new people, even though he has no authority, which is why I kept trying to discuss the whole thing with him. I also asked him if he has kids, because anyone with kids knows that it`s much safer and easier to load/unload in front of the house than halfway down the block. He claims he does but they must not live with him or have a good relationship because there`s never any kids around or anyone visiting him. He went on and on about how I must think I`m special and should be treated special because I have kids. Then we went back and forth about how it even affects him since we`re nowhere close to him. So I could tell the guy was just being unreasonable and I asked him to leave. Nebu was standing behind the van at this point and I couldn`t see him or what he was doing. I watched the guy go back to his garage, even though he insisted he was going to immediately talk to the neighbor, too, and wasn`t just targeting us. This is when I proceeded to follow him and hadn`t planned on knocking on his garage but he went through the garage and was shutting it as I walked up so I had to knock on it to get his attention. He opened it back up and I asked him why he didn`t go talk to the neighbor and that`s when he told me to never knock on his garage again, which is ironic considering he walked right into ours. So I told him to never enter our garage again.

    It wasn`t until I got back to the house and Nebu and I were talking about what had happened, when I learned he(Nebu) had flipped him off and said some things to the guy. We actually got into an argument about it because I think it was over the line to flip the guy off and call him names. After Nebu and I mulled over the events for a little while, both of us came to the conclusion that we should`ve just told the guy, "Oh I`m sorry, I`ll go get my keys and move it. Then spend a very long time "looking for my keys". That would`ve been a much better response and if he came back to ask why it hadn`t been moved yet, we could ask everyone in the house if they`d seen the keys to the van. Oops, the baby must`ve been playing with them, as soon as I find them I`ll move it. It`s difficult to think of responses like that when you`re completely caught off guard and put on the defense in your own house, and not to mention it was around 8pm at night when he showed up in our garage.

    Any suggestions on how to handle this guy, since we`ve been informed by the other neighbors that this guy is a nuisance? I don`t think we can just ignore it, since he`s going to go to the HOA every time someone farts.
    forest_queen
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    September 16th, 2009 @ 9:28PM

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    Can't we all just...... get along?

    Oh and Nebu, just sign the guy up for the NAMBLA newsletter. He'll love that.
    what316
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    September 17th, 2009 @ 5:47AM

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    HLM Well you could consider hiring some thugs from Compton to issue a beat down on this kid.
    ROBOKATZ
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    September 17th, 2009 @ 6:02AM

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    After Nebu and I mulled over the events for a little while, both of us came to the conclusion that we should`ve just told the guy,

    The jerk store called, they`re running out of you!
    Blazer
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    September 17th, 2009 @ 6:09AM

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    Sucks when your neighbors are crazy. Not much you can do about it either. Just try your best to ignore him and not let the guy get under your skin. Take solace in the fact that he's old and may one day pass away or get a retirement home. He's probably just a lonely, miserable man with nothing better to do.

    I can sympathize with you, having at least 3 troublesome neighbors throughout my various apartments here in NY. One neighbor threw a party and a beer mug was dropped from their front porch, denting the roof of my car.

    In my last apartment I lived above two lesbian's who were bitches. They always filed noise complaints against me because of the parties or late night gatherings I held, and a few times called the police. One night they called the police on me for throwing a Sat. night party on Halloween at 9pm. We were pretty much at war and always fucking with each other. I poured wax on their plants below me, and they called the cops over that and I ended up getting a subpoena over it and had to do community service. A few months later I bought a house and am thankful for the extra incentive I needed to abandon apartment life.
    Zelph01
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    Any suggestions on how to handle this guy, since we`ve been informed by the other neighbors that this guy is a nuisance? I don`t think we can just ignore it, since he`s going to go to the HOA every time someone farts.

    This is a though one. I`ll take a shot.
    First, No matter how you choose to deal with him, he will never be happy. That said, here`s some options:
    1) Actively ignore him / tell him to gtfo.
    2) Passively resist (like your "finding the keys" example. He`ll know that you can partially offset accountability and it will drive him nuts.
    3) obey him. (Not a realistic option, imo.)
    4) scorched earth policy. Get the HOA on him.* Alternatively, you could start leaving notices on his door of his violations. This will undoubtedly offend him but if your substantively correct, he`ll have to fix it or risk being called a hypocrite. People who are sticklers for rules would not allow this accusation. (But then, what would you accomplish besides a more anal rule follower.)
    * The HOA probably knows all about him and doesn`t want to be a pawn in your colossal war.
    5) Deception. Take a warning letter from the HOA and duplicate it. Then insert various violations and make it seem like it`s from the HOA office. This only works once or twice, and will certainly be comic until he realizes that he`s been duped.
    6) Get legal on him. Get a restraining order. Act if he violates it.


    Whatever you do, don`t commit crimes. (Be careful about how you do #5.) There`s an old saying, "If you mess with pigs, you`re going to get dirty."

    I think the end goal is to help him realize that there is a lot of gray area (children, misplaced keys, etc.) that he needs to be more considerate about.
    BiVRiP
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    September 17th, 2009 @ 10:37AM

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    Just try your best to ignore him and not let the guy get under your skin.

    This.

    You could also try to befriend one or more local members of your HOA. Unless the board members are pricks as well, they'll be less likely to take action against you if they know who you are and your relationship with your other neighbors.

    If the old guy persists, you can always get a copy of the HOA rules and monitor him for a week or two. Like I said in my earlier post, the biggest complainers tend to be the biggest rule breakers themselves. Beat him at his own game.

    Make up a nice list of *every* technically valid transgression. Doesn't matter how insignificant it is. Include the time and frequency of each infraction. When you're done, hand deliver a copy of the list to the old guy. Bring along another neighbor when you do this (3rd party witness). Bonus if you can get the old guy to sign and date the list. Offer to resolve your differences (ie. You'll overlook all his BS if he agrees to leave you alone).

    From what you and Nebu have shared, it sounds like this guy is only picking on you because you're the new kids on the block and he thinks he can boss you around. What you want to do is assert your authority and show that messing with you just isn't worth the time or effort. Unless he's senile or extremely bitter/spiteful, he'll back off.

    Of course if he's actually bat-shit crazy, you could always try and have him committed to the psych ward for mandatory 24/72h observation under the pretext he's a danger to himself or others. This may require some creative evidence on your part and the co-operation of a few neighbors. After a stint or two in a padded room he'll either back off or go so far off the deep end the hosp will decide to make him a permanent resident :)
    GroverDill
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    September 17th, 2009 @ 1:43PM

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    Any suggestions on how to handle this guy, since we`ve been informed by the other neighbors that this guy is a nuisance? I don`t think we can just ignore it, since he`s going to go to the HOA every time someone farts.

    Don't pick fights with your mean neighbor. Continue being nice to your good neighbors. If bad stuff happens, use your HOA to mediate and get your other neighbors to back you up. Back up your neighbors if they have problems with the guy.

    I mean, that's really all it comes down to. You don't have to start a war with your mean neighbor. The HOA is there to protect you as much as it is to protect him, and if your good neighbors have your back you should be fine.

    Also, if the above actually helps, you should probably stop bagging so much on your HOA on general principle.
    meorah
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    buy a gun. keep it unloaded at all times. never open a door unless you know who is on the other side. if you know its him, go get your unloaded gun and answer the door only when it is in your hand. open the door and tell him he isn`t allowed on your property and you won`t be harassed. close the door and never worry about the crazy coot again.

    of course, you`ll have to worry about the gun from then on.
    radvan
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    April 29th, 2010 @ 7:02PM

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    holy shit @ latest story. i would seriously burn his house down
    Wootah
    non-leet

    April 29th, 2010 @ 9:04PM

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    Yeah that dude sounds crazy. Make friends with the rest of the neighbors. Oh and make a record of all encounters with him. Might be handy later.

    And I totally think it is awesome that HotLikeMe comes and posts on here and even refers to Nebu as Nebu. Good luck with your loony neighbor! If the incidents only happen once every 7-8 months, the whole ignore him strategy sounds just fine.
    what316
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    April 30th, 2010 @ 5:41AM

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    If you`re ruling out violence and filing complaints it`s time to think outside the box. Find something that he cares about, a situation you can manipulate to your advantage. Like his wife, go after her in similar ways that he goes after you. Since the old man is obviously dirty (new garage threat) it kinda ensures that if you come up with good leverage on him he will actually leave you and your kids alone.
    BlueFalcon
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    April 30th, 2010 @ 2:44PM

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    Like the last poster said, make a list of incidents with dates/times.

    I would avoid going to the HoA on this. He seems to have some connections there, so you can be sure that whatever you say will find it's way to him. He probably lacks any joy in life and just likes to stir the pot, so avoid escalating things unless he commits a criminal act.
    Nebuchadnezzar
    The King

    April 30th, 2010 @ 3:16PM

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    My page is my list of things. I'll make an actual list too. HLM is going to call the HOA. I think the cops would be a good option since he goes into people's garages, looks into their fences, and talks to kids without the parents around.
    Apricoth
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    April 30th, 2010 @ 4:35PM

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    Makes me so glad I do not have these kinds of issues with our neighbors. haha
    Nebuchadnezzar
    The King

    May 11th, 2010 @ 4:25PM

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    I'd totally recommend never getting a house with an HOA.
    nate_orenstam
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    May 11th, 2010 @ 4:45PM

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    you could either ignore his annoying presence or you could do your community a favour, sneak into his place like a thief in the night, and murder him. i think all other strategies are half-assed.
    Bashkir
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    May 11th, 2010 @ 6:21PM

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    I would consider calling the police. Tell them that he`s harassing your wife, kids, and neighbor and ask for a restraining order or something. I don`t know if that`s possible...maybe they will just go scare him for you.
    shark180
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    May 11th, 2010 @ 6:54PM

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    Is He the the HOA President? If so become a board member.
    Ykant
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    May 11th, 2010 @ 7:15PM

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    If you want to play that game, then same advice as last year. You and your neighbors. Get on the board.
    BiVRiP
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    May 11th, 2010 @ 8:11PM

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    Get the HOA to put it in writing that they can't/won't intervene (if they haven't already). If you're worried about your kids, then the only reasonable next course of action is to file a complaint with the police. Get a restraining order if need be, that should put a cramp in his meddling.
    Wibin
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    May 12th, 2010 @ 4:39PM

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    If that dude is harassing kids, I'd call the cops on him ASAP.
    Make sure you take video or pictures of him doing it.

    You simply cannot harass kids. You talk to the parents if something is wrong, not the kids.

    I spose you could really make up some weird crap if it keeps going on.
    forest_queen
    Dame

    November 25th, 2013 @ 9:14PM

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    A somewhat spendy option if you want sweet revenge..... buy a pre-paid credit card, subscribe the guy to the NAMBLA newsletter.
    RowdyRoddyPiper
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    November 26th, 2013 @ 2:40PM

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    what forest queen said. also im sure the kkk and the black panthers have a newsletter sign him up for that. as well as cheap as dirt magazine, its free and they spam the crap out of your mailbox haha
    Blazer
    Instigator

    January 16th, 2014 @ 12:19PM

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    Drop a hallmark card in their mailbox with sarcastic remarks about how you'll miss them and wish them well...signed as "Your neighbor at your address".


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