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Thursday, August 17th, 2006SUGGEST NEWS

Green helmet man injured
Posted by: Nebuchadnezzar on August 17th, 2006 @ 4:18PM

Too bad he lived.


wrote: - 2006-08-17 16:18:19

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KMac
Kali Compton

August 17th, 2006 @ 4:51PM

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2003-03-26
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Posts: 555
Man what a POS BS article. They are obviously taking the side of this terrorist wannabe.

FTA: "Some Internet bloggers have accused him of setting up photos and of treating the dead insensitively."

It's not an accusation, its EXACTLY what he is doing without question. And the media is going along with it. The way the media has been acting here is truly sickening.

FTA: "One Web site posted video purporting to show Daher arranging to have the body of a child taken off an ambulance and displayed for photographers."

Again, it's not purporting to show this, it IS showing it. The writer refuses to present any material showing how much of a propagandist this guy is, not at all caring about the children, only of promoting Hezbollah and demonizing Israel. Reminds me of the press...
slashatar
Peon

August 17th, 2006 @ 5:43PM

Registered:
2003-06-14
Location:
Berlin-germany
Posts: 96
get him marked an send in some "clean cut", I hate what he does
Colombo
Peon

August 17th, 2006 @ 6:55PM

Registered:
2003-03-26
Location:
China
Posts: 450
Christ let`s do our best to turn a molehill into a mountain.

"I did hold the baby up, but I was saying `look at who the Israelis are killing. They are children,`" Daher said. "These are not fighters. They have no guns. They are children, civilians they are killing.`"

This is insensitive, I won`t argue against that.

But showing citizens what the war entails is appropriate. Maybe this should be the government`s job, but no cohesive government will ever cast negative light on its own wars. It is important for the citizens who fund, fight, and whom benefit or detriment from thier govt`s wars to know exactly what is going on. How can we gauge whether or not a war is worth the price unless we know exactly who we`re killing, how we`re killing them, how they`re killing us, what it costs, etc? Oh, lets just trust the gov`t right? They have all the answers! Denying the media`s right to publish dissenting opinion sounds like something out of Soviet Russia... they weren`t fans of citizens that criticized their wars either. I know no one here is actually saying that explicitly, but there is certainly that connotation.

And no, I`m not trying to say America is the evil empire or any such rubbish, so calm down and think about what I wrote before jumping to your battle stations.
psudo
Marine

August 18th, 2006 @ 9:05AM

Registered:
2003-03-28
Location:
Reddest of the Red States
Posts: 2235
Colombo, you`re assuming Daher is telling the truth when he says that. If he`s, as is suggested, planting bodies and falsely portraying them as victims of attacks, he`s a pro-terrorist propigandist.

Yes, civilians die in terrorist attacks and military firefights. If he`s falsifing the causes and rate at which this happens, it`s still propiganda.

We`re not "denying the media`s right to publish dissenting opinion", we`re opposing the media`s unbalanced coverage and sacrosanct status as immune to criticism themselves.
DaiShiva
Special Ops

August 18th, 2006 @ 12:21PM

Registered:
2003-03-25
Location:
Tucson
Posts: 135
What the article fails to mention, is that if the government cared about its citizens, they wouldnt have put them in a position to be hurt (Dont swat the hornets nest you live near, and they'll mind their own business).

Completely one sided article. media bias? where?
Garrison
Peon

August 18th, 2006 @ 2:18PM

Registered:
2004-02-05
Location:
Cleveland
Posts: 42
KMac,

Historically speaking internet bloggers haven`t exactly been a reliable source of information. Not saying that the media is, however I am questioning where you get your facts.

The people need to be shown the TRUTH, as it can be seen from all available angles. The act of censoring things because people don`t want to see them, don`t want to believe such atrocities is, itself, an atrocious one.
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DaiShiva,

I tend to agree with your analogy. However, please try applying it to U.S.`s foreign policy and occupations over the last few years.

The US has backed Zionism for the past 60 years and gave Israel the power to control it`s opposers with military force. Understandably, the people who lived there previously weren`t too happy about getting the boot and pretty much anything that`s happened since. I can`t imagine that anyone would be pleased to be put in that situation.

However, from the establishment of Israel in `48 until the attacks in `01, Americans largely ignored the growing problems in the Middle East. That`d be just fine with me, if their policy hadn`t been the cause of those problems. Interfering with such matters only costs us mountains of money and there`s very rarely a clear answer to which "side" we should be supporting.

Now, post-9/11 America has waged war on the entire world, wherever they want, and remain completely unchecked. Their programs designed for fighting "terrorists" have been implemented into our own domestic life, and the government and media keep everyone so scared sh*tless that people don`t care about their privacy. "Save me Big Brother!"

No thank you. I`d rather take my chances with a stray suicide bomber than be beaten into safe submission by my own government.

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -Benjamin Franklin, 1755.

That`s the unabridged quote, though I tend to agree with the shortened version as well. I consider privacy to be an "essential" liberty, and as such I don`t feel that the government has any right to compromise it. Scratch that. The government does NOT have any right to compromise that, regardless of their words or actions.
Colombo
Peon

August 18th, 2006 @ 2:42PM

Registered:
2003-03-26
Location:
China
Posts: 450
Yes, civilians die in terrorist attacks and military firefights. If he`s falsifing the causes and rate at which this happens, it`s still propiganda.

I didn`t see any mention of statistics and I believe even the Israeli government acknowledge they had bombed civilians (although they made sure to include the qualifier of `in a Hezbollah area/building`).

we`re opposing the media`s unbalanced coverage and sacrosanct status as immune to criticism themselves.

This is what I was talking about with making a mountain out of a molehill. Where is the media frenzy all over this guy? The bits and peices of CNN and Fox News I catch at the gym seem to mention an awful lot about Israeli civilian deaths, and very little about the X times greater casualties in Lebanon. They seem to typically mention them as merely `Lebanese deaths` as opposed to civilian. Online the coverage seems more balanced, but that probably has to do with diversity of sources available when compared to mainstream TV. But you should know that already.

The issue is are you (or anyone in support of this war) going to rabidly attack anyone or thing that indicates Israel wasn`t handling things correctly or was possibly in the wrong. I mean c`mon, even the Israeli citizens thought the offensive was handled poorly with an over reliance on air bombing.

We all know this type of missile warfighting is much less accurate than Lockheed, et al promised it would be but there seems to be this continuing push for `sanitary` strategies. Quite frankly it reminds me of when armies used to approach each other slowly, in formation, to make sure and be seen as gentlemanly. Outrageous.
Eisenwolf
Peon

August 18th, 2006 @ 9:10PM

Registered:
2004-03-01
Location:
Germany - home of the pacifist nazis where people poop on each other for fun
Posts: 774
What the article fails to mention, is that if the government cared about its citizens, they wouldnt have put them in a position to be hurt.

That`s bullshít.
Colombo
Peon

August 19th, 2006 @ 9:50PM

Registered:
2003-03-26
Location:
China
Posts: 450
Great post Garrison.

My dad (a card carrying Republican, member of the NRA, etc) has regularly utterd these words, with the deepest sarcasm, during the past 5 years:

They hate us because of our freedom! Our democracy! So the best way to solve that is by limiting our freedom and democracy!


Which makes me wonder why no no one has brought up the recent ruling on wiretapping... EN itself is a good example of media bias.
Eisenwolf
Peon

August 20th, 2006 @ 9:34AM

Registered:
2004-03-01
Location:
Germany - home of the pacifist nazis where people poop on each other for fun
Posts: 774
Colombo, you`re assuming Daher is telling the truth when he says that. If he`s, as is suggested, planting bodies and falsely portraying them as victims of attacks, he`s a pro-terrorist propigandist.

That`s bullshít˛.
Planting bodies? Where do you think he get`s his bodies from? The body shop? Victims are victims, it doesn`t matter how they are portrayed.


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